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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 4:01 am
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(October 16, 2022 at 3:55 am)Belacqua Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 3:28 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: Okay... sorry for being late to the thread...
So, I've read this through a few times.
I'm not seeing how it relates to or matches up with the issue of either country in regards to Russia or Ukraine.
More information please? 
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People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
You're seriously comparing the Ukraine situation to the one in Haiti? Seriously? Ukraine, a reasonably stable, somewhat prosperous country was illegally invaded by a neighbour intent on its destruction. Haiti, a desperately poor country rendered almost nonfunctional by criminal organizations, is asking for help.
How do you not see the difference?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 4:04 am
First it was throwing random shit at the wall
Now its whataboutism
Whats next? "Yo momma...."?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 4:12 am
Quote:People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
It has nothing to do with size. Answering a legitimate(if unpopular) government's request for aid against criminal gangs trying to take over a country is not remotely the same as another country invading and trying to annex another country.
Quote:We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
As I just pointed out above. The two things are not comparable. Therefore there is no double standard.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 4:20 am
(October 16, 2022 at 4:12 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
It has nothing to do with size. Answering a legitimate(if unpopular) government's request for aid against criminal gangs trying to take over a country is not remotely the same as another country invading and trying to annex another country.
Quote:We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
As I just pointed out above. The two things are not comparable. Therefore there is no double standard.
^Just this. Bel is trying to compare apples and aircraft carriers.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 4:45 am
(October 16, 2022 at 4:20 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 4:12 am)Helios Wrote: It has nothing to do with size. Answering a legitimate(if unpopular) government's request for aid against criminal gangs trying to take over a country is not remotely the same as another country invading and trying to annex another country.
As I just pointed out above. The two things are not comparable. Therefore there is no double standard.
^Just this. Bel is trying to compare apples and aircraft carriers.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 4:45 am
(October 16, 2022 at 3:55 am)Belacqua Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 3:28 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: Okay... sorry for being late to the thread...
So, I've read this through a few times.
I'm not seeing how it relates to or matches up with the issue of either country in regards to Russia or Ukraine.
More information please?
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People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
Oh...
Okay... that clears up a few things for me.
I'm of the opinion it's wrong for ANY country to invade ANY WHERE.
So Haiti's troubles has nothing to do with the troubles in Europe, got ya.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 5:08 am
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(October 16, 2022 at 4:45 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 3:55 am)Belacqua Wrote: People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
Oh...
Okay... that clears up a few things for me.
I'm of the opinion it's wrong for ANY country to invade ANY WHERE.
So Haiti's troubles has nothing to do with the troubles in Europe, got ya.
Not at work. Good thing Haiti isn't being invaded 
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 5:17 am
(October 15, 2022 at 11:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (October 15, 2022 at 10:18 pm)Helios Wrote: Whenever Russian apologists mention Azov Battalion mention this
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-neo-nazi...71760.html
https://www.voanews.com/a/how-russia-use...29981.html
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rusic...-prjndp9rl
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europ...b763f30000
Don't buy the Denazification bullshit. 
The contents of these articles may or may not be true. No one posting on this thread really knows.
We do know that the first two sources cited are funded and operated by the US government and have always pushed the official government line. These are not objective, independent sources. If a source is funded and operated by Russia, we should be equally wary of that.
The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch, was strongly Thatcherite, and is well-known for pushing dubious ideological narratives, including the idea that HIV doesn't lead to AIDS. It is a source to be skeptical about.
Haaretz is actually more sympathetic to an oppressed people (the Palestinians) than the New York Times. I do not know their history concerning Russia. Historically, Israeli media has strong opinions on Russia.
So, again, we don't know whether these stories are accurate or not. We do know that as skeptical people who are wary of propaganda and think for ourselves, these are sources to be very wary of.
Funny how you don't exercise the same scrutiny of and skepticism for your own sources, which are at least as susceptible to charges of bias.
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 5:20 am
(October 16, 2022 at 3:55 am)Belacqua Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 3:28 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: Okay... sorry for being late to the thread...
So, I've read this through a few times.
I'm not seeing how it relates to or matches up with the issue of either country in regards to Russia or Ukraine.
More information please?
Not at work
People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
Did Ukraine request armed Russian assistance in quelling corruption?
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RE: Russia and Ukraine
October 16, 2022 at 5:40 am
(October 16, 2022 at 4:45 am)Peebothuhlu Wrote: (October 16, 2022 at 3:55 am)Belacqua Wrote: People seem to think that it's bad for a big country to invade and control a smaller one.
We'd want to be sure that we don't have a double standard involved, where it's OK for our team but not for theirs.
Oh...
Okay... that clears up a few things for me.
I'm of the opinion it's wrong for ANY country to invade ANY WHERE.
So Haiti's troubles has nothing to do with the troubles in Europe, got ya.
Not at work.
I just think it's sad that everybody knows who Luke Skywalker is but almost nobody knows Toussaint Louverture.
It's as if Haiti has never been forgiven for being the first place in the Americas to get out from under colonial rule. It's shocking what's been done to them since.
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