(October 13, 2022 at 7:06 pm)Tomato Wrote: If your information is coming from a youtuber, chances are you're not very bright.

Of course Vaush is not going to be a part of mainstream media when he would be considered an extremist since he wants workers to own the means of production, and mainstream media is owned by billion dollar corporations. Have you really thought this through? You resorting to insults just proves you have no arguments and you're just ticked off that I posted the truth about pedophiles in the gay community. No true Scotsman fallacy. If Elton John goes out and does something bad right now to a kid, that doesn't erase the fact that he's still a gay man and has been all his life. Gay people are capable of bad things just like any other group. Deal with it and quit acting like your team can do no wrong. I understand that you think in terms of protecting and defending your team at all costs because you don't want to give the anti-gay folks any ammunition to use against the movement. I really do get that, but I can't go along with the dishonesty and try to hide the truth like you do. I value truth first and foremost, and whatever the consequences are of people knowing that truth, they come second. This is a forum that is supposed to be about parsing out the truth, and not simply about scoring political points for your team. I don't want pedophilia to be associated with gay folks either, but I'm also not willing to BS either just to try to score a goal for the team.

Tucker Carlson and Brian Stelter are more than just youtubers and they are embraced by the mainstream. I guess that means those two are more legitimate intellectuals than Vaush, going by your narrow minded logic of automatically dismissing anyone on youtube. Youtube and the internet is the new town square, and traditional media is only surviving because it's being propped up by the algorithm. Being rejected by the mainstream should be seen as a badge of honour. Not the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaush

Kochinski studied sociology at Humboldt State University, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 2018.

Maybe this will explain things a little better, Tomato. Muslims are a minority that can be very discriminated against in the West, but you are acting just like a discriminated against Muslim who sweeps homophobia in the Muslim community under the rug and hand waves it away so you can protect the image of Islam. And in that example, I am the moderate Muslim that is speaking out against homophobia among other Muslims. I am the Jew that is speaking out against what the Israeli government has done to the Palestinian people, while you are the guy in this video (go to 1:13 in) that hand waves away what is happening to the Palestinian people and acts like he doesn't know what's going on. When you value truth second and the consequences first and foremost in every circumstance, this is who you are, Tomato.

Reinaldo Arenas would be happy

Quote:Same-Sex Marriages Begin In Cuba After National Vote

It became a possibility just three weeks before on the island when Cuba’s new Family Code – opening up everything from equal marriage to surrogate mothers – came into effect. The couple, which has been together for seven years, is one of the first to make the decision to get legally married in Cuba.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/gay...story.html

Quote:Yes, I stand up for a trans woman suffering trauma after having a gun pointed at her by police, who is being shit on by her own community because she doesn't check off enough oppression boxes, and that's me playing white victim on her behalf. You're right. What was I thinking? Fuck that trans cracker and fuck her trauma. She needs to shut her pie hole.

Better?

Lol, accept not what you are doing. You don't give a shit about Trans women. It's all just a virtue signal to whine about the evil SJWs and imagined white hardship  

Quote:Of course Vaush is not going to be a part of mainstream media when he would be considered an extremist since he wants workers to own the means of production, and mainstream media is owned by billion dollar corporations. Have you really thought this through? You resorting to insults just proves you have no arguments and you're just ticked off that I posted the truth about pedophiles in the gay community. No true Scotsman fallacy. If Elton John goes out and does something bad right now to a kid, that doesn't erase the fact that he's still a gay man and has been all his life. Gay people are capable of bad things just like any other group. Deal with it and quit acting like your team can do no wrong. I understand that you think in terms of protecting and defending your team at all costs because you don't want to give the anti-gay folks any ammunition to use against the movement. I really do get that, but I can't go along with the dishonesty and try to hide the truth like you do. I value truth first and foremost, and whatever the consequences are of people knowing that truth, they come second. This is a forum that is supposed to be about parsing out the truth, and not simply about scoring political points for your team. I don't want pedophilia to be associated with gay folks either, but I'm also not willing to BS either just to try to score a goal for the team.

Tucker Carlson and Brian Stelter are more than just youtubers and they are embraced by the mainstream. I guess that means those two are more legitimate intellectuals than Vaush, going by your narrow minded logic of automatically dismissing anyone on youtube. Youtube and the internet is the new town square, and traditional media is only surviving because it's being propped up by the algorithm. Being rejected by the mainstream should be seen as a badge of honour. Not the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaush

Kochinski studied sociology at Humboldt State University, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 2018.

He isn't defending a team he just isn't buying your bullshit and as much as I love Vuash using him as a source is silly and using Youtube videoes themselves as a source is poor form. Also, you don't give a shit about the truth it's about "SJW's bad" and "Whitey Oppressed" you simply use the veneer of "truth-seeking" as a vehicle for your reactionary tendency.

Quote:Maybe this will explain things a little better, Tomato. Muslims are a minority that can be very discriminated against in the West, but you are acting just like a discriminated against Muslim who sweeps homophobia in the Muslim community under the rug and hand waves it away so you can protect the image of Islam. And in that example, I am the moderate Muslim that is speaking out against homophobia among other Muslims. I am the Jew that is speaking out against what the Israeli government has done to the Palestinian people, while you are the guy in this video (go to 1:13 in) that hand waves away what is happening to the Palestinian people and acts like he doesn't know what's going on. When you value truth second and the consequences first and foremost in every circumstance, this is who you are, Tomato.

You don't give a shit about the truth. It's all just "SJW bad"

(October 13, 2022 at 7:06 pm)Tomato Wrote: If your information is coming from a youtuber, chances are you're not very bright.

He really isn't 

Poor sourcing and even worst reasoning 

Quote:You claim Vaush is your favourite political youtuber, and he calls out the crazies on the supposed left all of the time. Funny how you give him a pass for doing what I am doing.

Just because I like Vuash doesn't mean I always agree with him, And even then I trust Vuashes honesty and motives way more than yours. The only thing funny here is you thought this was a clever come back 

(October 26, 2022 at 11:42 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Of course Vaush is not going to be a part of mainstream media when he would be considered an extremist since he wants workers to own the means of production, and mainstream media is owned by billion dollar corporations. Have you really thought this through? You resorting to insults just proves you have no arguments and you're just ticked off that I posted the truth about pedophiles in the gay community. No true Scotsman fallacy. If Elton John goes out and does something bad right now to a kid, that doesn't erase the fact that he's still a gay man and has been all his life. Gay people are capable of bad things just like any other group. Deal with it and quit acting like your team can do no wrong. I understand that you think in terms of protecting and defending your team at all costs because you don't want to give the anti-gay folks any ammunition to use against the movement. I really do get that, but I can't go along with the dishonesty and try to hide the truth like you do. I value truth first and foremost, and whatever the consequences are of people knowing that truth, they come second. This is a forum that is supposed to be about parsing out the truth, and not simply about scoring political points for your team. I don't want pedophilia to be associated with gay folks either, but I'm also not willing to BS either just to try to score a goal for the team.

Tucker Carlson and Brian Stelter are more than just youtubers and they are embraced by the mainstream. I guess that means those two are more legitimate intellectuals than Vaush, going by your narrow minded logic of automatically dismissing anyone on youtube. Youtube and the internet is the new town square, and traditional media is only surviving because it's being propped up by the algorithm. Being rejected by the mainstream should be seen as a badge of honour. Not the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaush

Kochinski studied sociology at Humboldt State University, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts degree in 2018.

He isn't defending a team he just isn't buying your bullshit and as much as I love Vuash using him as a source is silly and using Youtube videoes themselves as a source is poor form. Also, you don't give a shit about the truth it's about "SJW's bad" and "Whitey Oppressed" you simply use the veneer of "truth-seeking" as a vehicle for your reactionary tendency.

Vaush was talking about a TMZ article in his video about the white privileged Anne Frank, and TMZ is a decent news source. They spin the news actually far less than other MSM does. If you actually watched the video, which I would have thought you already did since Vaush is your favourite, I'd have thought you would see the news source provided. This happened before when I posted a Russell Brand video covering the news. Russell Brand always gives sources and in that video of his I posted, he gave The New York Times or whatever as a source, and people just played dumb and said "well, he's not a doctor, innit, so why's he even speaking?". And having said all that, Vaush didn't even need to provide a source like he did. He was just giving his take on shit that is said on the internet. You don't need to go through journalism school to do that. That's silly.

I'm a sell out to the gay community and I'm proud of it. I don't want to be a good little hateful gay. I don't want to be the good little Jew, that defends the military actions of the State of Israel at any cost. I want to be the bad Jew that cares about human rights. I don't want to be the good little Muslim that shuts up and goes along to get along. I'm a bad, middle of the road soft Muslim, who wants to try to get homophobia and FGM in the Muslim community to a better place.

You and Tomato are the type to shit on gay and trans people, just so the wokes don't come for you next. You know internalized homophobia, right? Well, Tomato has something like that, but he has internalized Europhobia. If a white trans person is raided by the police, and could have been killed, Tomato will feel the need to jump in and tell trans whitie to stop whining because if they were black, they would have been shot on the spot by the police. It's pretty gross.

(October 27, 2022 at 6:15 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(October 26, 2022 at 11:42 pm)Helios Wrote: He isn't defending a team he just isn't buying your bullshit and as much as I love Vuash using him as a source is silly and using Youtube videoes themselves as a source is poor form. Also, you don't give a shit about the truth it's about "SJW's bad" and "Whitey Oppressed" you simply use the veneer of "truth-seeking" as a vehicle for your reactionary tendency.

Vaush was talking about a TMZ article in his video about the white privileged Anne Frank, and TMZ is a decent news source. They spin the news actually far less than other MSM does. If you actually watched the video, which I would have thought you already did since Vaush is your favourite, I'd have thought you would see the news source provided. This happened before when I posted a Russell Brand video covering the news. Russell Brand always gives sources and in that video of his I posted, he gave The New York Times or whatever as a source, and people just played dumb and said "well, he's not a doctor, innit, so why's he even speaking?". And having said all that, Vaush didn't even need to provide a source like he did. He was just giving his take on shit that is said on the internet. You don't need to go through journalism school to do that. That's silly.

I'm a sell out to the gay community and I'm proud of it. I don't want to be a good little hateful gay. I don't want to be the good little Jew, that defends the military actions of the State of Israel at any cost. I want to be the bad Jew that cares about human rights. I don't want to be the good little Muslim that shuts up and goes along to get along. I'm a bad, middle of the road soft Muslim, who wants to try to get homophobia and FGM in the Muslim community to a better place.

You and Tomato are the type to shit on gay and trans people, just so the wokes don't come for you next. You know internalized homophobia, right? Well, Tomato has something like that, but he has internalized Europhobia. If a white trans person is raided by the police, and could have been killed, Tomato will feel the need to jump in and tell trans whitie to stop whining because if they were black, they would have been shot on the spot by the police. It's pretty gross.

Somehow you have managed to become even more unhinged.