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Proxy war in Ukraine?
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 (November 7, 2022 at 4:20 pm)Helios Wrote: 5. Ukraine isn't going to lose period and Russia will dominate nothing and the cost will be more than worth it on both counts. You can't put a price on freedom. I think of it as a big air show. After the war, nobody in their right mind will buy Russian-made arms, but a lot of folks'll be lining up for HIMARS and shit. Cha-ching!  (November 7, 2022 at 9:25 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(November 7, 2022 at 9:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: The United States refusing to spend the $12 billion on the SSC is proof positive that our priorities are messed-up. During the Rwandan Genocide, the United States government had no military response; some 800,000 human beings were viciously murdered as our government stood by & watched. RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 9:41 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 9:48 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Surely, the thing to do isn't a repeat of that?
Lets say it would have taken 100 billion to have stopped that, or even try to stop it? Which, do you think, would have been the better course to take? What we did, or something else?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Agreed! But, fighting against the machete welding Hutu would have been dirt cheap, a turkey-shoot.
So is fighting against the machete wielding russians, as it turns out. Would one have been worth it but not the other?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 Quote:During the Rwandan Genocide, the United States government had no military response; some 800,000 human beings were viciously murdered as our government stood by & watched.So because the US didn't stop the Rwandan Genocide it shouldn't stop the Russian invasion ![[Image: Esbe1AEXAAAq9mE.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esbe1AEXAAAq9mE.jpg)
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I think it's more about recalling past mistakes, which shouldn't be forgotten nor forgiven.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 10:07 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 10:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think it's a cognitive loop. When some line of reasoning doesn't end with the desired conclusion, begin again at "america bad". That's why I've been saying..hey, okay, if america bad, and this is a proxy war- it's a damned good one, at least by the measures we so often hear expressed as concerns.
-and then, begin again at "america bad".... It'll never end, that's one way it's different from the war in ukraine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 10:29 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 10:32 pm by Silver.)
Yet, because war never ends due to its continuation from one period to another, forgetfulness is the bane of thinking all is good and right in that which finds its need in a loop without end.
Nascar may be fun for some to watch, but the dizziness experienced from such a pointless spectacle is a sure sign of its meaninglessness.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter RE: Proxy war in Ukraine?
November 7, 2022 at 11:16 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2022 at 11:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think that might not extend the pointlessness or meaninglessness of defending your life and home from a nation trying to take both, or of helping people in those situations. Still, it would be a clear position - and not based on costs in dollars or human lives or even any disagreement on the basic facts of a war.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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