(February 12, 2023 at 8:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote: If we go by the standards the Pentagon uses, the locations from which the US assists with missile strikes have become legitimate military targets. Don't see how anything bad could come from that.

Wow, legitimate military targets?

You know what already are legitimate targets, according to the Briand-Kellog pact (the reason why Putin didnt use the words "war" for the war of aggression he started in Ukraine)?


Legitimate as any airbase in russia from which bombers are taking off to kill ukrainian civilians via cruise missiles?
Legitimate targets, as in any russian ammo dump used to store artillery shells to flatten ukrainian cities?
Legitimate targets like cruisers of the Black Sea Fleet?
Legitimate targets like iranian drones used to destroy ukrainian infrastructure and kill ukrainian people?

Legitimate as any piece of the russian military, SINCE RUSSIA IS WAGING AN ILLEGAL WAR OF AGRESSION? You know from where the "bad things" already came from? From Russias invasion of Ukraine.

Fucking troll

Ah, those Russians

Convicted murderer released from jail to fight for Putin's Wagner thugs becomes second mercenary to be beaten to death with a sledgehammer after he was accused of 'treason' for surrendering to Ukraine

Dmitry Yakushchenko, 44, had his head taped to a what appears to be a pile of bricks with cling film before being bludgeoned to death with the sledgehammer in a horrifying execution that was filmed and published on messaging app Telegram.

Yakushchenko was accused of treason for deserting after arriving on the front line. He was later recaptured by his former Wagner colleagues, who went on to execute him.

The 44-year-old is now the second Wagner fighter to be executed with a sledgehammer after convicted murderer Yevgeny Nuzhin, 55, was killed by his countrymen in November last year.

Harrowing video shows Yakushchenko confessing to surrendering to Ukraine as his head was strapped tightly to a block of bricks with cling film, while a man with a sledgehammer stands behind him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ammer.html

(February 13, 2023 at 7:02 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Ah, those Russians

Convicted murderer released from jail to fight for Putin's Wagner thugs becomes second mercenary to be beaten to death with a sledgehammer after he was accused of 'treason' for surrendering to Ukraine

Dmitry Yakushchenko, 44, had his head taped to a what appears to be a pile of bricks with cling film before being bludgeoned to death with the sledgehammer in a horrifying execution that was filmed and published on messaging app Telegram.

Yakushchenko was accused of treason for deserting after arriving on the front line. He was later recaptured by his former Wagner colleagues, who went on to execute him.

The 44-year-old is now the second Wagner fighter to be executed with a sledgehammer after convicted murderer Yevgeny Nuzhin, 55, was killed by his countrymen in November last year.

Harrowing video shows Yakushchenko confessing to surrendering to Ukraine as his head was strapped tightly to a block of bricks with cling film, while a man with a sledgehammer stands behind him.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ammer.html

Remember, these are the people @Belacqua is justifying.

I think that, as far as western apologism for russian imperialism is concerned, that gets memory holed. It's not that they're trying to justify it - and wouldn't, it's that they need to ignore it in order to condemn The West™ and, ultimately, ukraine and anything about it is an irrelevant sideshow to that, and would even be damaging to such a condemnation. This can be expressed by finishing the sentence - even as written-for-effect.

Us personnel participate in attacks.. sounds bad. Us personnel participate in attacks against war criminals....does not.

Here's a russian take on the failed assault on vuhledar, where the heaviest losses are currently being recorded across the conflict.

Quote:The delayed engagement of the motorized rifle units and the ensuing destruction of the convoy was only possible because of the overall unpreparedness of the infantrymen who were engaged in the battle.

Mass mining of the approaches and inadequate use of all available electronic warfare [to suppress surveillance drones] means led to the predictable result of a rather narrow mine-free breach, into which the column of armored vehicles plunged.

Their entire route was tracked by UAVs and shot through by artillery and anti-tank crews.

https://telegra.ph/Chronicle-of-the-Batt...ysis-02-13

The naval infantry are basically russia's doomed legion, at this point.

(February 12, 2023 at 8:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote: If we go by the standards the Pentagon uses, the locations from which the US assists with missile strikes have become legitimate military targets. Don't see how anything bad could come from that.

Dutch F35s intercepted 3 russian ELINT jets over NATO aispace in Poland (Actually one Il-20 with two SU-27 escorts). The russian jets probably came from Kaliningrad and were escorted back.

Of course you dont see how anything bad could come from that, right?

Rheinmetall is starting to produce ammuunition for FlaPz Gepard in Germany, since Switzerland (original location of Rheinmetalls munitions factory) refuses to export military stuff to war zones*.
Training of Ukrainian crews on Leopard 2 started on Monday.



*it only allows for IMport of stolen gold from such areas 

(February 12, 2023 at 8:31 pm)Belacqua Wrote: If we go by the standards the Pentagon uses, the locations from which the US assists with missile strikes have become legitimate military targets. Don't see how anything bad could come from that.

I think we may be entering delicate areas here but Eugeny Pirozhin just admitted interfering with US elections in 2016:
 
“(Reuters) - Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group, said on Tuesday that he founded and financed and the Internet Research Agency, a company Washington says is a "troll farm" which meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.”
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-prigo...13523.html
 
In Pre-WWII standards, this is a declaration of war. This is a case of another country being involved in another countries election systems. There has been a similar issue with the Greek politician Eva Kali accepting money from the Qatari’s to vote in their interest. There has also been the scandal in which the French President Nicholas Sarkozy has accepted money from the Libyan leader Khadafi again, to act in his interest. But at least the Qataris and the Libyans denied doing anything like that. Right now the head of Wagner is clearly admitting to have been involved in US elections.
 
My point of view:  There has to be some sort of action on these event. The EU for instance has taken several measures so that Qatar Gate doesn’t repeat itself in the future. If the US doesn’t act on this there will be similar events (with the Chinese, with Saudi Arabia etc. etc.) at every election campaign. I even think it’s already time to put some restriction on social media as a whole.

(February 12, 2023 at 8:33 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Excellent speech here by a historian who understands that the real import of the Ukraine war is economics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUD1gxEWxE

   Emmanuel Todd is a 72 year old man from Sorbone University + Cambridge University. He already admits that he has published his latest book in Japan because he has been ostracized by several writers in “Le Figaro” or in “Le Monde”. I didn’t listen to the whole video. But he might be a Front National type of personality. I think he is mixing some real facts (Like the strength of the US economy being partly based on the hegemony of the US dollar) with some other fictional facts (Like Russia + China willing to free the world from the hegemony of the US dollar).

   And the interviewer is not asking any question. They seem to be agreeing on some “facts”. I regularly watch the debates in France 24. If there is just one person who is being interviewed, that person is always being challenged by the interviewer so he is not like a Stewen Hawking who is always talking and to whom you always have to listen no matter what he says. And in other instances, you will have 4 persons + the interviewer who don’t always agree on everything and ideas are being exchanged between the participants so that the viewer can make his own conclusions. These are the basics of modern journalism. And I repeat: Todd is telling us himself that he is a man who has been “ostracized”. This means that he has extreme ideas that are not liked by the majority. That puts him somewhere near Marine Lepen or Georgia Meloni (in my mind of course )

(February 13, 2023 at 12:59 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(February 13, 2023 at 12:39 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That nutball I linked a video to said pretty much the same thing - while wondering why his beloved russia couldn't do a fucking thing about it, between casually suggested that russia should preemptively nuke london..or paris.

What we say down here is "shit or get off'n the pot". I'm not sure why anyone is impressed by Russian nuclear threats, given that it's been nine months of talkin' and not one glowing bulb. Swingin' the threat is usually a good indication you don't won't to do it ... a guy able to kick your ass will kick your ass ass first and explain it later.

*Crickets*

This issue is still dangerous. I don’t think they are crazy enough to do it. I don’t even think this Eugeny would do it. But if they were to do it that would mean preemptive strikes on Russia with many thousands of casualties. So I hope there is a plan be concerning this issue