(March 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 10:49 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Trans

Trans is not a sexual orientation.  What is Elliot Page's sexual orientation?

You’d probably have to ask him that. He knows his own orientation better than I do.

(March 23, 2023 at 10:54 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Trans is not a sexual orientation.  What is Elliot Page's sexual orientation?

Not my business. Kinda the point.

Well, you made some assertions about only gay people ever falsely living as straight, so I am unpacking that a bit.  Elliot identifies as a male, correct?  Elliot also is attracted to and dates females, right?  A male who is exclusively attracted to females is straight, so Elliot is therefore straight right?

(March 23, 2023 at 10:59 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Trans is not a sexual orientation.  What is Elliot Page's sexual orientation?

You’d probably have to ask him that. He knows his own orientation better than I do.

That's my whole point.  In 2014 Elliot professed to be a lesbian to the BBC, now Elliot professes to be a male who likes women (ironically enough, to the BBC again).  This means that in 20014 Elliot was gay (a lesbian), but now Elliot is straight, right? This means that the OP was correct, people who are gay can become straight ala Elliot Page.

For what it’s worth, in his Coming Out statement on Instagram, he identifies as Queer (his word, not mine)



He may be living as a man (that much we know), and he may still be exclusively attracted to women (I can’t find confirmation yet, but it seems likely), but given that he also had to live (publicly) as a woman for several decades, it’s a bit more complicated than “pretending to be gay when you’re actually straight.’ He’s still going to be LGBT either way.

(March 23, 2023 at 11:10 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: For what it’s worth, in his Coming Out statement on Instagram, he identifies as Queer (his word, not mine)

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He may be living as a man (that much we know), and he may still be exclusively attracted to women (I can’t find confirmation yet), but given that he also had to live (publicly) as a woman for several decades, it’s a bit more complicated than “pretending to be gay when you’re actually straight.’ He’s still going to be LGBT either way.

Why did he say he was a lesbian in 2014 then?  Did he not actually believe he was a lesbian then?  How could someone who knew they were a male the whole time come out as a lesbian anyways?  Maybe I am one of the last people who tries to find the rationality in these things, but I figured on here of all places there'd still be some who did.

As far as I can tell, he did so because he didn’t expect to be able to transition at the time. It probably was the best term for what he was presenting as at the time.

(March 23, 2023 at 11:19 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: As far as I can tell, he did so because he didn’t expect to be able to transition at the time. It probably was the best term for what he was presenting as at the time.

...so it is possible that there are people who are not really gay who are professing to be gay because of social pressure to do so?

If they’re transgender, that would make sense. That’s just about the only context where that social pressure to be gay would make any sense.

(March 23, 2023 at 11:32 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: If they’re transgender, that would make sense. That’s just about the only context where that social pressure to be gay would make any sense.

...so many people were duped into believing Elliot was a lesbian.  That brings up another interesting question, if someone is gender fluid are they able to swtich back and forth between being gay and straight depending on which gender they currently identify as?

It’s been my experience that gender fluid people tend to not just be into one gender. Point is, the only times someone really goes from gay to straight the way you talk about, they’re still somewhere on the LGBTQ spectrum.