(May 6, 2023 at 5:21 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 10:38 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: I keep my religion private.

Afraid we'll point and laugh?

Pussy.

It's pointless to discuss religion until God's existence is settled. I have enough experience with these discussions to know that.

(May 6, 2023 at 5:42 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 5:19 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: That's proof of exactly fuck-all. 

(May 6, 2023 at 5:23 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Nobody cares <snip>

(May 6, 2023 at 5:29 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: You're failing <snip>

Can you like, put in some extra effort when answering ?

(May 6, 2023 at 5:22 pm)Helios Wrote: Pointing to man-made structures and then trying to impose that onto life the universe and everything....Instant false comparison

That's the same comparison that Hume spent a lifetime pondering, and ended up acknolwedging it resolves into amoral theism. 

I guess you should take some time to use what's inside your skull (if any), before jumping on the keyboard.

Citation please.

Quote:That's the same comparison that Hume spent a lifetime pondering, and ended up acknolwedging it resolves into amoral theism. 

Good for Hume. How is he these days?

Quote:I guess you should take some time to use what's inside your skull (if any), before jumping on the keyboard.

I suggest you take your own advice

Quote:Can you like, put in some extra effort when answering

Come up with something worth answering

(May 6, 2023 at 5:46 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Citation please.

I'm glad you asked, at least you care



Quote : "At the heart of this belief system is Hume's affirmation that there is a god, although not a morally good. Lastly, I summarize Hume's theism (which I call amoral theism ), which is unique in the history of ideas."



Quote (from the section "Interpretation of Hume's view") : "There is, therefore, support for interpreting Hume as a deist of a limited sort. Gaskin calls this Hume’s “attenuated deism,” attenuated in that the analogy to something like human intelligence is incredibly remote, and that no morality of the deity is implied, due especially to the Problem of Evil. However, scholars that attribute weak deism to Hume are split in regard to the source of the belief. Some, like Gaskin, think that Hume’s objections to the design argument apply only to analogies drawn too strongly. Hence, Hume does not reject all design arguments, and , provided that the analogs are properly qualified, might allow the inference. 

(May 6, 2023 at 9:28 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: First, give us your proof that God is unjust.

Punishing us for exercising the human nature your myth alleges he built into us.

Next?

(May 6, 2023 at 5:56 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 9:28 am)The End of Atheism Wrote: First, give us your proof that God is unjust.

Punishing us for exercising the human nature your myth alleges he built into us.

Next?

Did your human nature force you to be an atheist ? no.

If you're referring to the original sin or something similar, I don't believe this myth either.

(May 6, 2023 at 5:45 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 5:21 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Afraid we'll point and laugh?

Pussy.

It's pointless to discuss religion until God's existence is settled. I have enough experience with these discussions to know that.

Of course it isn’t. The existence of God and discussions of religion are two completely unrelated topics.  Sounds like you need more experience.

Boru

Quote:I'm glad you asked, at least you care



Quote : "At the heart of this belief system is Hume's affirmation that there is a god, although not a morally good. Lastly, I summarize Hume's theism (which I call amoral theism ), which is unique in the history of ideas."


Quote (from the section "Interpretation of Hume's view") : "There is, therefore, support for interpreting Hume as a deist of a limited sort. Gaskin calls this Hume’s “attenuated deism,” attenuated in that the analogy to something like human intelligence is incredibly remote, and that no morality of the deity is implied, due especially to the Problem of Evil. However, scholars that attribute weak deism to Hume are split in regard to the source of the belief. Some, like Gaskin, think that Hume’s objections to the design argument apply only to analogies drawn too strongly. Hence, Hume does not reject all design arguments, and , provided that the analogs are properly qualified, might allow the inference. 

Great none that means a damn thing

(May 6, 2023 at 6:04 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 6, 2023 at 5:45 pm)The End of Atheism Wrote: It's pointless to discuss religion until God's existence is settled. I have enough experience with these discussions to know that.

Of course it isn’t. The existence of God and discussions of religion are two completely unrelated topics.  Sounds like you need more experience.

Boru

They're not unrelated lol. The vast majority of religions are centered around some concept of God. If we don't agree on this concept, there is no discussion, at all. But it's understandable that you would disagree as an atheist, you want to get your religious opponent into messy discussions and a have a lot of religious content to attack, so that you can come out winning. 

This is common sense : I can't have a discussion with someone about the contents of a holy book, if they don't believe it's ... holy.