Quote:You do realize, that by not answering my thought experiment, you have answered my thought experiment. I can now confirm that you would not be willing to give up your alcohol, to save thousands or tens of thousand of innocent lives, but you are happily willing to give up other people's rights (guns), that they own to hunt and protect their own families from intruders who would mean to do them harm.

Nope not answering your thought experiment shows I think it was stupid and it's a waste of time humoring it because of the fact it's so very very stupid. The rest of this is a baseless conjecture you have pulled directly out of your ass.

(May 8, 2023 at 10:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Many of you may die..but that..is a risk...he's willing to take.  Mostly because he thinks the terrorists are his spirit friends.  It would be hilarious if it weren't pathetic.

Maybe you're right. Did you know my spirit pal Steven Crowder says he worries about his bisexual past showing its' ugly head again? Did you know my spirit besty Gavin McInnes has an antifa tattoo from his youthful days before he became something very different. Kinda like me going from a Trudeau voter, to planning on voting for someone Helios calls fascist. My turn is almost fully complete muhahahaha. Fascism here we come.

Quote:Maybe you're right. Did you know my spirit pal Steven Crowder says he worries about his bisexual past showing its' ugly head again? Did you know my spirit besty Gavin McInnes has an antifa tattoo from his youthful days before he became something very different. Kinda like me going from a Trudeau voter, to planning on voting for someone Helios calls fascist. My turn is almost fully complete muhahahaha. Fascism here we come.

Well acceptance is the first step  

(May 9, 2023 at 5:19 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Maybe you're right. Did you know my spirit pal Steven Crowder says he worries about his bisexual past showing its' ugly head again? Did you know my spirit besty Gavin McInnes has an antifa tattoo from his youthful days before he became something very different. Kinda like me going from a Trudeau voter, to planning on voting for someone Helios calls fascist. My turn is almost fully complete muhahahaha. Fascism here we come.

Well acceptance is the first step 

Even a socialist, likely NDP voter like yourself won't bring yourself to defend the nuttery Trudeau is attempting by trying to take away hunting rifles. A vote against Trudeau is not a vote for fascism. Poilievre is actually kinda weak sauce, but the best we've got. Pierre didn't speak out against the mandates until the convoy protests were happening. Before that, the man was silent on the issue, as the People's Party likes to point out. People's Party is a lot more conservative than the party Pierre (my supposed fascist) is running under.

Quote:Even a socialist, likely NDP voter like yourself won't bring yourself to defend the nuttery Trudeau is attempting by trying to take away hunting rifles. A vote against Trudeau is not a vote for fascism. Poilievre is actually kinda weak sauce, but the best we've got. Pierre didn't speak out against the mandates until the convoy protests were happening. Before that, the man was silent on the issue, as the People's Party likes to point out. People's Party is a lot more conservative than the party Pierre (my supposed fascist) is running under.

So a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with my statement mixed with wild conjecture about me. Typical 

(May 8, 2023 at 5:05 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(May 8, 2023 at 4:17 pm)Helios Wrote: Lol as if you get to be the one that gets to say what price in human life is acceptable. Sorry, the price of your twisted view of freedom is too high.

Ok, let's put the US aside for a second. Trudeau attempting to ban certain hunting rifles. Do you support this, and why is this action necessary? Would this action actually protect Canadians?

Now back to the States. We can't compare gun prohibition to alcohol prohibition, because where there's a will, there's a way to find or manufacture alcohol, so prohibition doesn't work. But let's say we're in an alternative world where prohibition of alcohol did actually work. Would you then be ok with banning alcohol, if you knew doing so would for sure result in saving thousands of lives? Or do we care about quality of life over quantity? How do we weigh human lives vs our rights and freedoms that we cherish so much? Saving lives at any cost is not something that hardly any of us support. Because what's life if we're not allowed to have a sip of alcohol here or there, and have certain other rights? Murder in the US by rifle is 4 percent of the murders. Why is the 4 percent the basically only focus of politicians?

If I was sure it would work, I would happily ban alcohol. And tobacco. And guns. And heroin. And Adam Sandler movies. And anything else inimical to human happiness. 


Boru

(May 9, 2023 at 5:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 8, 2023 at 5:05 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Ok, let's put the US aside for a second. Trudeau attempting to ban certain hunting rifles. Do you support this, and why is this action necessary? Would this action actually protect Canadians?

Now back to the States. We can't compare gun prohibition to alcohol prohibition, because where there's a will, there's a way to find or manufacture alcohol, so prohibition doesn't work. But let's say we're in an alternative world where prohibition of alcohol did actually work. Would you then be ok with banning alcohol, if you knew doing so would for sure result in saving thousands of lives? Or do we care about quality of life over quantity? How do we weigh human lives vs our rights and freedoms that we cherish so much? Saving lives at any cost is not something that hardly any of us support. Because what's life if we're not allowed to have a sip of alcohol here or there, and have certain other rights? Murder in the US by rifle is 4 percent of the murders. Why is the 4 percent the basically only focus of politicians?

If I was sure it would work, I would happily ban alcohol. And tobacco. And guns. And heroin. And Adam Sandler movies. And anything else inimical to human happiness. 


Boru

Thank you for admitting that and not waffling like Helios. Marijuana is better than alcohol anyways. That's why I don't drink.

(May 9, 2023 at 4:51 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(May 9, 2023 at 4:34 pm)Helios Wrote: I didn't answer your stupid thought experiment because it was a stupid thought experiment and not remotely worth my time. So get over the idea you have ever outwitted me. Because it has never happened and never will happen 

And as everyone else has said it's easy to pay a price with other people's lives.

You do realize, that by not answering my thought experiment, you have answered my thought experiment. I can now confirm that you would not be willing to give up your alcohol, to save thousands or tens of thousand of innocent lives, but you are happily willing to give up other people's rights (guns), that they own to hunt and protect their own families from intruders who would mean to do them harm.

Silence is neither consent nor complicity, you stupid piece of shit.

(May 9, 2023 at 5:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 8, 2023 at 5:05 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Ok, let's put the US aside for a second. Trudeau attempting to ban certain hunting rifles. Do you support this, and why is this action necessary? Would this action actually protect Canadians?

Now back to the States. We can't compare gun prohibition to alcohol prohibition, because where there's a will, there's a way to find or manufacture alcohol, so prohibition doesn't work. But let's say we're in an alternative world where prohibition of alcohol did actually work. Would you then be ok with banning alcohol, if you knew doing so would for sure result in saving thousands of lives? Or do we care about quality of life over quantity? How do we weigh human lives vs our rights and freedoms that we cherish so much? Saving lives at any cost is not something that hardly any of us support. Because what's life if we're not allowed to have a sip of alcohol here or there, and have certain other rights? Murder in the US by rifle is 4 percent of the murders. Why is the 4 percent the basically only focus of politicians?

If I was sure it would work, I would happily ban alcohol. And tobacco. And guns. And heroin. And Adam Sandler movies. And anything else inimical to human happiness. 


Boru

Boru you're attempting to argue with a fanatic. One who goes on unhinged rants and then gets pissy at you for not indulging in their nonsense.

Quote:Thank you for admitting that and not waffling like Helios. Marijuana is better than alcohol anyways. That's why I don't drink.

See what I mean