(June 6, 2023 at 8:22 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 6, 2023 at 8:04 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Still, huh?  Fine, how many of his daughters did your prophet impregnate in magic book?

The only counter-argument that I truly took into consideration was "Famine Stela":

https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/540...onic-diary

Quote:Is Imhotep and Prophet Joseph the same person?’

Many people believe that this story is related to Prophet Joseph's story of the seven-year starvation in Quran and the Old Testament

So there is a counter augment that is very very strong because it is based on the ancient documentation of the Famine on a rock carved by ancient Egyptians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_Stela

So there are two theories now: either Joseph was "Imhotep", or Joseph was "Akhnaten".

In both cases, you can't refute the archeological evidence.
And in both cases, it's jaw-dropping that Mohammed peace be upon him knew about this.

From your link regarding the famine stella:

Quote:Some Egyptologists, including Saleh, think that the story of the Khnum famine is a fictional story invented during the era of Ptolemy V to consolidate Khnum’s priesthood and perpetuate the idea that Khnum has the upper hand, thereby, ensuring his control over Egypt. The same theory is backed by Lichtheim in her book “Foundations of Atlantis, Ancient Astronauts and Other Alternatives.” 

You really should read these articles before you link to them.

Boru

And on the issue of misogyny in Islam:
 
https://youtu.be/_J5bDhMP9lQ?t=588

(June 6, 2023 at 2:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 6, 2023 at 8:22 am)WinterHold Wrote: The only counter-argument that I truly took into consideration was "Famine Stela":

https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/540...onic-diary



So there is a counter augment that is very very strong because it is based on the ancient documentation of the Famine on a rock carved by ancient Egyptians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_Stela

So there are two theories now: either Joseph was "Imhotep", or Joseph was "Akhnaten".

In both cases, you can't refute the archeological evidence.
And in both cases, it's jaw-dropping that Mohammed peace be upon him knew about this.

From your link regarding the famine stella:

Quote:Some Egyptologists, including Saleh, think that the story of the Khnum famine is a fictional story invented during the era of Ptolemy V to consolidate Khnum’s priesthood and perpetuate the idea that Khnum has the upper hand, thereby, ensuring his control over Egypt. The same theory is backed by Lichtheim in her book “Foundations of Atlantis, Ancient Astronauts and Other Alternatives.” 

You really should read these articles before you link to them.

Boru

Actually I did read it quite well before posting.
But the problem is that you don't quite understand what the word "some" means.

Yeah...thats the problem.

Jesus Christ......

(June 8, 2023 at 4:01 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 6, 2023 at 2:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: From your link regarding the famine stella:


You really should read these articles before you link to them.

Boru

Actually I did read it quite well before posting.
But the problem is that you don't quite understand what the word "some" means.

I do - it means that there are Egyptologists who have given the matter long and careful study and come to a reasonable science-based conclusion that fits the known facts and doesn’t require recourse to fairy stories for an explanation.  This is along the same lines as the story about Solomon offering to chop up an infant to placate two squabbling women - a political parable, nothing more.

And a stele inscribed two millennia after the events it purports to relate hardly qualifies as ‘archaeological evidence’.

Boru

(June 6, 2023 at 8:22 am)WinterHold Wrote: So there are two theories now: either Joseph was "Imhotep", or Joseph was "Akhnaten".

These aren't theories. They aren't even informed guesses.

Akhenaten was the younger son of Pharaoh Amenhotep III and his wife Tiye. He was about as Jewish as a bacon cheese burger. Any attempt to tie him to Joseph is laughably stoopid.

Little is known about Imhotep, with only a few inscriptions that mention him during his life. So your attempt to connect him to Joseph is nothing more than fanciful hand-waving.

Joseph is a fictional character created in Babylon as part of the pretext for repatriating the Jews to Israel following the First Diaspora. His role in the narrative is both to explain what the Jews were doing in Egypt to begin with (fled to Egypt after the Babylonians kicked our asses didn't fit the narrative) and to justify rule by the House of Joseph over the other Jewish tribes. He's a nasty little bit of Early Iron Age jingo and politics. First cousin to Paul Bunyan and older brother of the Cheshire Cat.