(June 9, 2023 at 10:07 am)no one Wrote: You're not taking into account, the god of Abraham is an inept, shortsighted moron.

(June 9, 2023 at 11:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 9:45 am)R-Farmer Wrote: God allows mankind to Love their sin. Which is what evil is. God does not put this love of sin in our heart. That is something we do on our own.

Of course God puts the love of sin in our heart. Love of sin is evil and God creates evil. Therefore God creates the love of sin. Isaiah 45:7.

Boru

(June 9, 2023 at 1:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 12:53 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: He could have, you are right... If the point was to live a certain way. If this were the case their would not need to to provide any way to atone for sin.

Most people get hung up on the do's and don't of sin. while they are a major component of sin, the whole point of sin itself is to provide Choice. If sin is anything outside the expressed will of God then that essentially makes sin the choice to be, or rather stay outside of the will of God. Which makes you a servant to sin and satan.

That's why All sin is the same to God or rather meets the same end. as it all boils down to, do you choose to serve God and righteousness? or Sin and satan?

Obviously not a Catholic where not all sins are created equal.  Neither are the punishments the same for all.  And you can pray away your sins.  The Etch-a-Sketch method of having a clean slate.  Say five Hail Marys, an Our Father, and The Act of Contrition.  See ya next week.

(June 9, 2023 at 1:37 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 1:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Obviously not a Catholic where not all sins are created equal.  Neither are the punishments the same for all.  And you can pray away your sins.  The Etch-a-Sketch method of having a clean slate.  Say five Hail Marys, an Our Father, and The Act of Contrition.  See ya next week.

No not a catholic. I've been to many different churches/denominations currently my wife and I are members of a local baptist church even though my Christian views are not define by baptist doctrine. they do good work in our little rual community and I want to support them any way I can.

I say all sins are the same because all sins meet the same fate which The Apostle Paul says is death. Meaning destruction in Hell. Biblically speaking, there is only one way to atone for this sin and that is through accepting Christ.


all due respect to any catholic here, I'm just pointing out the differences between what the Bible says and what their religious beliefs are. Most religions differ between what the Bible says and their core doctrine. these differences don't make them any less christian though.

(June 9, 2023 at 1:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 11:40 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Of course God puts the love of sin in our heart. Love of sin is evil and God creates evil. Therefore God creates the love of sin. Isaiah 45:7.

Boru

the word evil in the hebrew has several different meaning. It is a literal catch phrase that is used to describe anything bad undesirable or unwanted.

Here is the general definition:רַע raʻ, rah; from H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):—adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displease(-ure), distress, evil((-favouredness), man, thing), +exceedingly, × great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Including feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.)

here is the definition in context:
†1. evil, distress, adversity: יָרֵא רַע fear evil Psalm 23:4; Zephaniah 3:15; בּוֺרֵא רָ֑ע Isaiah 45:7 (of God), הביא רע 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/...v/wlc/0-1/

While evil is a possible translation, the context supports the idea of calamity as in god is bringing the pain/He will do whatever it takes to crush the enemy of his servant Cyrus whom God is fully supporting. That he is willing to rain down evil and or calamity to the nations that stand in opposition to his servant Cyrus.

(June 9, 2023 at 12:53 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: That's why All sin is the same to God or rather meets the same end. as it all boils down to, do you choose to serve God and righteousness? or Sin and satan?

(June 9, 2023 at 2:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 1:29 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: the word evil in the hebrew has several different meaning. It is a literal catch phrase that is used to describe anything bad undesirable or unwanted.

Here is the general definition:רַע raʻ, rah; from H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral):—adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, displease(-ure), distress, evil((-favouredness), man, thing), +exceedingly, × great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Including feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.)

here is the definition in context:
†1. evil, distress, adversity: יָרֵא רַע fear evil Psalm 23:4; Zephaniah 3:15; בּוֺרֵא רָ֑ע Isaiah 45:7 (of God), הביא רע 

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/...v/wlc/0-1/

While evil is a possible translation, the context supports the idea of calamity as in god is bringing the pain/He will do whatever it takes to crush the enemy of his servant Cyrus whom God is fully supporting. That he is willing to rain down evil and or calamity to the nations that stand in opposition to his servant Cyrus.

I’m not sure that a god who creates adversity, affliction, calamity, displeasure, distress, grief, harm, hurt, mischief, sorrow, misery, trouble, wretchedness and wrong really helps your case.

Boru

(June 9, 2023 at 2:47 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 9, 2023 at 2:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’m not sure that a god who creates adversity, affliction, calamity, displeasure, distress, grief, harm, hurt, mischief, sorrow, misery, trouble, wretchedness and wrong really helps your case.

Boru

I can see how that is a problem if you think god is all loving/loves everyone equally..  I can see how this would not generally be considered a plus or attribute of God. The truth of the matter is God can be down right vengeful and spiteful. especially to those who do not belong to Him. This is indeed a good example of this. that said the p[assage does not imply god puts evil in the heart of men. But rather is raining evil down on those who oppose his servant Cyrus. If you think this is bad wait till you hear about Moses and pharaoh at the Red Sea crossing.