"How to read the account of the fall

390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.264 Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.265"

From: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm

There was no talking Snake, that's a Metaphor for Satan. There was however an Adam and Eve, and there is an Original Sin, which means the Privation of Sanctifying Grace, as St. Thomas teaches, which is washed away in Holy Baptism.

God Bless.

Quote:Here is Wiki on Silvapethicus now: "Sivapithecus (lit. 'Shiva's Ape') (syn: Ramapithecus) is a genus of extinct apes. Fossil remains of animals now assigned to this genus, dated from 12.2 million years old[1] in the Miocene, have been found since the 19th century in the Siwalik Hills of the Indian subcontinent as well as in Kutch. Any one of the species in this genus may have been the ancestor to the modern orangutans.

Some early discoveries were given the separate names Ramapithecus (Rama's Ape) and Bramapithecus (Brahma's Ape), and were thought to be possible ancestors of humans." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sivapithecus

Yup, these were not ancestors to humans, but rather ancestors to orangutans. I pity those who insist on believing these Apes are their fathers.

Once again they are apes were apes and thus we are related. And there is nothing wrong with being apes after all apes are humans and being human is pretty nice.

(July 28, 2023 at 5:39 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Arewethereyet, noted.

The point on Ramapithecus was that it was once regarded as an ancestor of humans but is now known to be an ancestor instead of orangutans.

Australopithecus is the last known human ancestor, any species earlier than that is speculation for now because it is too old to tell. So far this has limitations, like we can not say which specific mammal species that lived during the dinosaur age is our direct ancestor but that doesn't mean there wasn't one.

(July 27, 2023 at 8:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(July 27, 2023 at 8:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Actually, Denton IS a scientist (biochemistry), just a really bad one.

Boru

No, that he does biochemistry does not make him a scientist.    Merely practicing certain craft which are also used by scientists doesn’t make one scientist, only a technician.   Scientists understand how and why science works and doesn’t try to parlay the ability to practice certain craft specific one area of science into a fraudulent claim of authority in other area of science.   He does exactly that.

Yeah, that’s valid.*

Boru

*vdws

(July 28, 2023 at 5:48 am)Nishant Xavier Wrote: The Catholic Church does not accept evolution as a fact.

Yeah, Catholic Church is that stupid, and to say that RCC is pro-science is therefore stupid.

Quote:Another issue: if apes like these alleged Ramapithecus, Silvapethicus etc are ultimately the progenitors of the human race, why didn't our first parents - or multiple first ancestors, if you will - tell us about these things in historical records and cave paintings and so on? Rather, virtually every civilization preserves the historical memory that humanity comes from God or gods. Some believe in gods in Heaven, and that's not correct: there's only One God. But as to the events on Earth itself, they are agreed. Humanity did not come from Apes. If we had, our first ancestors would have painted these things on caves and so on.

Why on earth would we expect historical records of said origin? Also just because civilization invented a story to explain themselves does not make it true. So this a non-issue.

Quote:How to read the account of the fall

390 The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man.264 Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.265"

From: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s2c1p7.htm

There was no talking Snake, that's a Metaphor for Satan. There was however an Adam and Eve, and there is an Original Sin, which means the Privation of Sanctifying Grace, as St. Thomas teaches, which is washed away in Holy Baptism.

God Bless.

Needs more Ents 

(July 28, 2023 at 5:30 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

Deesse23 Wrote:As Thump has hinted, the RCC has accepted the Theory of Evolution, yet NX denies it. NX must know that his belief is NOT entirely compatible with catholicism, yet he considers himself to be a catholic.

RCC has not officially accepted evolution but has rather allowed Catholics to accept it if they want. RCC has also rejected the evolution of man as the pope noted in Humani Generis.

So why does he choose to die on this hill? He just could accept evolution, be still in accordance with RCC, and then focus on all the other hills he wants to die on. One problem less, once cause less for cognitive dissonance.

(July 28, 2023 at 5:30 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Nishant is in pain which is why he joined this forum. On a subconscious level, he can not stand all that crap he has in his head that contradicts reality and he can not write apologetics for the pedophile organization known as RCC anymore. You can see that all this Catholicism has driven him insane.
This is all his cry for help.

Still dont get it.  
If he needs his cognitive dissonance silenced, why go to an atheist website and spam it with BS? All he can expect is backlash, which is probably frustrating. Why not go to some RCC website and get your views reinforced. Why does he think going out and getting his ass kicked will potentially reinforce his position? I would rather have more doubts, if i had some introspection after posting here and see there is much more to be dissonant about than i originally thought. Is it the persecution complex? The need to feel christ-like and be crucified in an atheist forum? Is it that kind of perverted drive?

Using the term Ape-Man is as stupid as using the Bird-Parrot 


And we related to all apes so it would be an ape being an ape you can't become what you already are. 

The day you believe you are going to give birth to actual apes in the future, I will believe that you are an Ape. Not before that. Not even you Evolutionists believe hat because you know that will never happen. And likewise we also know, no matter how many millions of years back you go, or forward into the future, humans will give birth to humans, and apes will give birth to apes. That's how God made it since the Very Beginning. The very word re-production should show you this, as does the first chapter of Genesis. Each being or species reproduces according to its own kind. God created the First Couple, or First Pair, of every animal kind, and these then reproduced and sustained their kind. The answer to the question of what "came first: the chicken or the egg", which is a dilemma because contingent eggs come from contingent chickens, but contingent chickens themselves came from eggs in the first place: the Answer is a Loving, Almighty God created the first chickens, and these then produced eggs etc. And the same for other animals, which however does not exclude that certain species could be more closely related than earlier thought.