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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 7:43 am
(August 19, 2023 at 7:30 am)h4ym4n Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 7:19 am)Ahriman Wrote: Dude, every religion claims to be the one true faith, literally all of them. They are all so different, how can just one of them, out of all the others, be the true religion? Not plausible. I like Catholicism as much as the next guy, but to say that it's the "one true church" simply doesn't track.
Well dude, doesn’t it seem quit foolish to believe in any religion?
Since none of them have any evidence of any god existing?
Your desire to believe is stronger then wanting to know the truth.
Well yeah, naturally. Beliefs are not such bad things to have, you just have to know your limits, i.e. don't allow yourself to believe in anything that's detrimental to any aspect of your health and well-being, and also don't expect other people to hold the same beliefs you hold.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 7:48 am
(August 19, 2023 at 6:34 am)Barry Wrote: There is only one God, and the main instruction book is the Bible.
Bible is only a claim, not evidence.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 8:52 am
(August 19, 2023 at 3:54 am)Barry Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 3:47 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If God made everything that exists, where was he before he made it, and who made this god?
Science doesn't know how the universe was created but is trying to find out (mostly worked out to a small fraction of a second after the big bang, working on the details)
Replacing "I don't know" with "god did it" is a cop out.
Hi Zebo
God exists outside time. Science doesn’t. I agree “science doesn’t know”. “Trying to find out” is a “cop out”.
Cheers Barry
Does a cause need to precede its effect? Did God exist before the universe he created existed?
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 8:59 am
(August 19, 2023 at 6:34 am)Barry Wrote: You are correct to a degree. There is only one God, and the main instruction book is the Bible. But Jesus Christ also founded the Catholic Church, the one, true Church, and gave it authority to teach humankind.
Example of Jesus Schrödinger’s teaching for mankind:
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven
Matt. 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father in heaven
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 9:07 am
(August 19, 2023 at 7:28 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 6:07 am)Barry Wrote: I’m not sure why there is so much hostility to God. “Malevolent” is a very judgmental word. A “purposeful falsehood”, really. God offers hope. Atheism offers a meaning less death, and life really.
Cheers Barry
Atheism doesn't "offer" anything, I simply don't find any of the so called evidence for gods to be convincing. What does "not believing in pixies" offer?
I saved ten percent on tithing by switching to unbelief.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 9:10 am
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(August 19, 2023 at 3:54 am)Barry Wrote: God exists outside time. Science doesn’t. I agree “science doesn’t know”. “Trying to find out” is a “cop out”.
The first moment of the Big Bang was an event (a point in space and time).
The cause of any event must exist on or within the past light-cone of that event.
If God exists outside time, then he does not exist on or within the past light-cone of the Big Bang.
Therefore God is not the cause of the Big Bang.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 9:11 am
(August 19, 2023 at 7:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 6:34 am)Barry Wrote: There is only one God, and the main instruction book is the Bible.
Bible is only a claim, not evidence.
So is all written history
Cheers Barry
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 9:15 am
(August 19, 2023 at 9:11 am)Barry Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 7:48 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Bible is only a claim, not evidence.
So is all written history
The problem with the Bible as written history is that it contradicts itself. For instance, Matt and Mark claim that Pete first saw the risen Josh in Galilee. Luke and John claim Pete first saw the risen Josh in Jerusalem. Today the case would be thrown out of court on such testimony.
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 9:16 am
(August 19, 2023 at 9:10 am)LinuxGal Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 3:54 am)Barry Wrote: God exists outside time. Science doesn’t. I agree “science doesn’t know”. “Trying to find out” is a “cop out”.
The first moment of the Big Bang was an event (a point in space and time).
The cause of any event must exist on or within the past light-cone of that event.
If God exists outside time, then he does not exist on or within the past light-cone of the Big Bang.
Therefore God is not the cause of the Big Bang.
Hi LG
So who or what was? Actually God can be anything Gods likes. God isn’t a light cone, or an ice cream cone.
Cheers Barry
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RE: Good exists - a Catholic comments
August 19, 2023 at 9:17 am
(August 19, 2023 at 7:43 am)Ahriman Wrote: (August 19, 2023 at 7:30 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Well dude, doesn’t it seem quit foolish to believe in any religion?
Since none of them have any evidence of any god existing?
Your desire to believe is stronger then wanting to know the truth.
Well yeah, naturally. Beliefs are not such bad things to have, you just have to know your limits, i.e. don't allow yourself to believe in anything that's detrimental to any aspect of your health and well-being, and also don't expect other people to hold the same beliefs you hold.
Well at least you’re truthful about not wanting to know truth. That says a lot about you
You never answered the question of is there depression in your afterlife?
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