(August 26, 2023 at 11:33 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 26, 2023 at 7:07 am)Deesse23 Wrote: You are mad and crazy because you are talking mad and crazy shit, not only on the topic of religion. It applies to history and most sciences too. Simple as that.

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Which part of my answer did you not understand? Which part of you talking mad and crazy shit about all kinda topics do you in need in depth explanation of?

(August 25, 2023 at 8:01 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 25, 2023 at 1:42 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Serious question: Does your doctor know you're of your meds?

I have a more serious question: why do the accusations of insanity in religious discussions always lack the "reason/cause" of the accusation?

Am I mad and crazy for stating obviously that I believe in a God who made the universe ?
I mean judging from the numbers of believers, I'm not so crazy ! To numbers, I'm..so mainstream !

Reason/cause:
Because, you're spouting this shit in the place where it's least likely to gain traction, and despite having that pointed out, you continue to do so. Couple that with the overall tone of your posts...

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

(August 26, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:

(August 25, 2023 at 8:01 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I have a more serious question: why do the accusations of insanity in religious discussions always lack the "reason/cause" of the accusation?

Am I mad and crazy for stating obviously that I believe in a God who made the universe ?
I mean judging from the numbers of believers, I'm not so crazy ! To numbers, I'm..so mainstream !

Reason/cause:
Because, you're spouting this shit in the place where it's least likely to gain traction, and despite having that pointed out, you continue to do so. Couple that with the overall tone of your posts...

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

If this place's visitors are the same exact individuals; I will stop and move on to a different place.
But knowing for certain that this place is connected to a Word Wide Web + visitors certainly do change and get renewed keeps me going.

That's not insanity. To me, who accuses me with insanity is either mislead; has an agenda of their own or want to shut me up, so I just keep going with utter wondering: why does this guy/girl wants me to shut up so bad ? what am I doing different and new?

Or better: what is the wrong deed that I'm calling people to?
I know worse individuals who get treated as kings and queens, but their message is so soaked in blood.
Thieves and cutthroats if you ask me, but their quotes fill earth. Hell some of them even enslaved people !

Then I find out that I'm doing the exact same thing Prophets used to : reminding that the universe's design is not a coincidence.

So..not quite insane. They call this in language: "Loyalty".

(August 26, 2023 at 2:19 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 26, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Reason/cause:
Because, you're spouting this shit in the place where it's least likely to gain traction, and despite having that pointed out, you continue to do so. Couple that with the overall tone of your posts...

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

If this place's visitors are the same exact individuals; I will stop and move on to a different place.
But knowing for certain that this place is connected to a Word Wide Web + visitors certainly do change and get renewed keeps me going.

That's not insanity. To me, who accuses me with insanity is either mislead; has an agenda of their own or want to shut me up, so I just keep going with utter wondering: why does this guy/girl wants me to shut up so bad ? what am I doing different and new?

Or better: what is the wrong deed that I'm calling people to?
I know worse individuals who get treated as kings and queens, but their message is so soaked in blood.
Thieves and cutthroats if you ask me, but their quotes fill earth. Hell some of them even enslaved people !

Then I find out that I'm doing the exact same thing Prophets used to : reminding that the universe's design is not a coincidence.

So..not quite insane. They call this in language: "Loyalty".

FWIW, Winter, I don’t think you’re insane. Gullible, paranoid, and ignorant, sure. But not insane.

Boru

You left out stupid.

(August 26, 2023 at 11:41 am)WinterHold Wrote: No foreign god was with him= God was single and alone, that's a monotheistic admission.

It's a well-known historical fact that the Hebrews were polytheistic, "monolateralist or henotheistic) polytheism. Statues of Ashera have been found in Jerusalem, Dan, and Beth-el IN THREIR worship sires. "Asherah, along with Astarte and Anath, was one of the three great goddesses of the Canaanite pantheon. In Canaanite religions her primary role was that of mother goddess. Canaanites associated Asherah with sacred trees, an association also found in the Israelite tradition. Israel’s association of Asherah with sacred trees is repeated over thirty times in the Bible; many of these citations are stereotypically used by the biblical writers to describe sites of idolatrous worship, implying that the worship of Asherah was an apostate behavior in Israel and improper for followers of YHWH. Despite these and other references associating Asherah with apostasy, contemporary discoveries have further indicated that, at least in the opinion of some ancient Israelites, YHWH and Asherah were appropriately worshipped as a pair."

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/ash...0tradition.

In fact the entire Book of Isaiah was the prophets who wrote it, telling the Hebrews that the reason the Jews were taken into Exile, was that King Hezekiah permitted the images and shrines of all kinds of other gods in his capitol. When the concept of "individualism" came from Greece, then, and only then, did they get told to embrace monotheism. Monotheism did not exist in Israel before that. It's the reason they wrote into their Exodus text the First Commandment. If they actually were monotheists, there would have been no need for that.

It's just amazing how little religionists actually know about their cults.

"Archaeological discoveries from the late 1970s and early 1980s have further indicated that, at least in the opinion of some ancient Israelites, YHWH and Asherah were appropriately worshipped as a pair. From the site of Kuntillet ‘Ajrud, in the eastern Sinai, come three ninth- or eighth-century B.C.E. inscriptions that mention YHWH and “his Asherah” (meaning YHWH’s companion [consort?], the goddess Asherah) or “his asherah” (meaning YHWH’s sacred pole that represents the goddess Asherah and that sits in his temple or beside his altar). An eighth-century B.C.E. inscription from Khirbet el-Qom, about twenty-five miles southwest of Jerusalem, contains similar language in 1 Kgs 15:13 and 2 Kgs 18:4, 21:7, and 23:6 (with parallels in 2 Chronicles) indicate that at least during certain points in the ninth, eighth, and seventh centuries B.C.E., Asherah’s sacred pole was perceived as an appropriate icon to erect in Jerusalem, even in YHWH’s temple. Also, vessels in the temple were used to make sacrifices to Asherah (2 Kgs 23:4), and in a compound within the temple’s walls, women cult functionaries wove garments used to clothe Asherah’s cult statue (2 Kgs 23:7). Thus it appears that, although generally the biblical writers—especially certain prophets (Isa 17:8; 27:9; Jer 17:2; Mic 5:14) and the authors responsible for Deuteronomy, Judges, 1 and 2 Kings, and 2 Chronicles—regarded Asherah worship as inappropriate, at least some and possibly many in ancient Israel incorporated the goddess’s cult imagery and ritual into the cult of YHWH".

(August 26, 2023 at 2:58 pm)Angrboda Wrote: You left out stupid.

I accept the correction.

Boru

(August 26, 2023 at 2:19 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 26, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Reason/cause:
Because, you're spouting this shit in the place where it's least likely to gain traction, and despite having that pointed out, you continue to do so. Couple that with the overall tone of your posts...

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

If this place's visitors are the same exact individuals; I will stop and move on to a different place.
But knowing for certain that this place is connected to a Word Wide Web + visitors certainly do change and get renewed keeps me going.

That's not insanity. To me, who accuses me with insanity is either mislead; has an agenda of their own or want to shut me up, so I just keep going with utter wondering: why does this guy/girl wants me to shut up so bad ? what am I doing different and new?

Or better: what is the wrong deed that I'm calling people to?
I know worse individuals who get treated as kings and queens, but their message is so soaked in blood.
Thieves and cutthroats if you ask me, but their quotes fill earth. Hell some of them even enslaved people !

Then I find out that I'm doing the exact same thing Prophets used to : reminding that the universe's design is not a coincidence.

So..not quite insane. They call this in language: "Loyalty".

I know of no prophet that spouted the nonsense of Intelligent Design. 
In fact ID is an argument against the gods. 
A real god could make life happen, even in a stone cold rock. Ever hear of "omnipotence" ? 
A real god could make life arise in any environment, not just in one in which life was probably inevitable anyway. 

So you think of yourself as a prophet.   
Ever hear of delusions of grandeur ? Or as we so often have seen it, ... Dunning-Krueger. 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2...ger_effect

(August 26, 2023 at 2:19 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(August 26, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Ravenshire Wrote: Reason/cause:
Because, you're spouting this shit in the place where it's least likely to gain traction, and despite having that pointed out, you continue to do so. Couple that with the overall tone of your posts...

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

If this place's visitors are the same exact individuals; I will stop and move on to a different place.
But knowing for certain that this place is connected to a Word Wide Web + visitors certainly do change and get renewed keeps me going.

That's not insanity. To me, who accuses me with insanity is either mislead; has an agenda of their own or want to shut me up, so I just keep going with utter wondering: why does this guy/girl wants me to shut up so bad ? what am I doing different and new?

Or better: what is the wrong deed that I'm calling people to?
I know worse individuals who get treated as kings and queens, but their message is so soaked in blood.
Thieves and cutthroats if you ask me, but their quotes fill earth. Hell some of them even enslaved people !

Then I find out that I'm doing the exact same thing Prophets used to : reminding that the universe's design is not a coincidence.

So..not quite insane. They call this in language: "Loyalty".

Doing it for the vast, silent masses? Sounds bat-shit to me.

I'm sure the rest was just you spouting exactly what you need to hear. Empty justifications for continuing your behavior. You do you, then.

(August 26, 2023 at 3:02 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(August 26, 2023 at 11:41 am)WinterHold Wrote: No foreign god was with him= God was single and alone, that's a monotheistic admission.

It's a well-known historical fact that the Hebrews were polytheistic, "monolateralist or henotheistic) polytheism. Statues of Ashera have been found in Jerusalem, Dan, and Beth-el IN THREIR worship sires. "Asherah, along with Astarte and Anath, was one of the three great goddesses of the Canaanite pantheon. In Canaanite religions her primary role was that of mother goddess. Canaanites associated Asherah with sacred trees, an association also found in the Israelite tradition. Israel’s association of Asherah with sacred trees is repeated over thirty times in the Bible; many of these citations are stereotypically used by the biblical writers to describe sites of idolatrous worship, implying that the worship of Asherah was an apostate behavior in Israel and improper for followers of YHWH. Despite these and other references associating Asherah with apostasy, contemporary discoveries have further indicated that, at least in the opinion of some ancient Israelites, YHWH and Asherah were appropriately worshipped as a pair."

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/ash...0tradition.

In fact the entire Book of Isaiah was  the prophets who wrote it, telling the Hebrews that the reason the Jews were taken into Exile, was that King Hezekiah permitted the images and shrines of all kinds of other gods in his capitol. When the concept of "individualism" came from Greece, then, and only then, did they get told to embrace monotheism. Monotheism did not exist in Israel before that. It's the reason they wrote into their Exodus text the First Commandment. If they actually were monotheists, there would have been no need for that.

It's just amazing how little religionists actually know about their cults.

"Archaeological discoveries from the late 1970s and early 1980s have further indicated that, at least in the opinion of some ancient Israelites, YHWH and Asherah were appropriately worshipped as a pair. From the site of Kuntillet ‘Ajrud, in the eastern Sinai, come three ninth- or eighth-century B.C.E. inscriptions that mention YHWH and “his Asherah” (meaning YHWH’s companion [consort?], the goddess Asherah) or “his asherah” (meaning YHWH’s sacred pole that represents the goddess Asherah and that sits in his temple or beside his altar). An eighth-century B.C.E. inscription from Khirbet el-Qom, about twenty-five miles southwest of Jerusalem, contains similar language in 1 Kgs 15:13 and 2 Kgs 18:4, 21:7, and 23:6 (with parallels in 2 Chronicles) indicate that at least during certain points in the ninth, eighth, and seventh centuries B.C.E., Asherah’s sacred pole was perceived as an appropriate icon to erect in Jerusalem, even in YHWH’s temple. Also, vessels in the temple were used to make sacrifices to Asherah (2 Kgs 23:4), and in a compound within the temple’s walls, women cult functionaries wove garments used to clothe Asherah’s cult statue (2 Kgs 23:7). Thus it appears that, although generally the biblical writers—especially certain prophets (Isa 17:8; 27:9; Jer 17:2; Mic 5:14) and the authors responsible for Deuteronomy, Judges, 1 and 2 Kings, and 2 Chronicles—regarded Asherah worship as inappropriate, at least some and possibly many in ancient Israel incorporated the goddess’s cult imagery and ritual into the cult of YHWH".

The source of all 3 Abrahamic religions is Monotheistic, then twisted gradually by cults mutating from the original faith.

It's the same story over and over.

Now you can see a live version of the transformation when you look at the final installment: Islam.
Look at the Shiite cult, or the Sunni cult; you'll see how "Allah" is in his way to become many.

Just like Christianity with the advent of Catholicism.

It's the same story.