you can transplant a tree.

in the end that tree is not part of hadrian’s wall.   it so happen to sprout near hadrian’s wall 1800 years into the wall’s existence, but it is still no different from any other of its species that can be transplanted to the same spot for the same scenic value.

if the vandal damaged the actual wall it would be different.

(September 28, 2023 at 8:43 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: you can transplant a tree.

in the end that tree is not part of hadrian’s wall.   it so happen to sprout near hadrian’s wall 1800 years into the wall’s existence, but it is still no different from any other of its species that can be transplanted to the same spot.

If your dog dies and you get a new one, are they the same dog?

Boru

(September 28, 2023 at 8:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 28, 2023 at 8:43 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: you can transplant a tree.

in the end that tree is not part of hadrian’s wall.   it so happen to sprout near hadrian’s wall 1800 years into the wall’s existence, but it is still no different from any other of its species that can be transplanted to the same spot.

If your dog dies and you get a new one, are they the same dog?

Boru

let’s not get too sentimental about something that doesn’t even have a dog’s personality.   a dog remembers you and what you’ve done and behave differently as a result.  a dog and you might mold each other.   who did the tree mold itself with?

(September 28, 2023 at 8:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 28, 2023 at 8:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If your dog dies and you get a new one, are they the same dog?

Boru

let’s not get too sentimental about something that doesn’t even have a dog’s personality.   a dog remembers you and what you’ve done and behave differently as a result.  a dog and you might mold each other.   who did the tree mold itself with?

But a dog will not ever be part of a community for over two hundred years.

(September 28, 2023 at 8:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 28, 2023 at 8:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If your dog dies and you get a new one, are they the same dog?

Boru

let’s not get too sentimental about something that doesn’t even have a dog’s personality.   a dog remembers you and what you’ve done and behave differently as a result.  a dog and you might mold each other.   who did the tree mold itself with?

Immaterial. YOU made the claim that one thing can be replaced with another and be 'no different'. A new tree planted in the same spot would not be the same tree.

Boru

(September 28, 2023 at 9:03 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 28, 2023 at 8:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: let’s not get too sentimental about something that doesn’t even have a dog’s personality.   a dog remembers you and what you’ve done and behave differently as a result.  a dog and you might mold each other.   who did the tree mold itself with?

Immaterial. YOU made the claim that one thing can be replaced with another and be 'no different'. A new tree planted in the same spot would not be the same tree.

Boru

that is most material.   is there an aspect of the lost that is irreplaceable?    a dog’s personality molded from past contact would be difficult to replace.   it would be a stretch to say the there are aspects of that tree which could not be replaced with a transplant.

(September 28, 2023 at 8:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(September 28, 2023 at 8:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: let’s not get too sentimental about something that doesn’t even have a dog’s personality.   a dog remembers you and what you’ve done and behave differently as a result.  a dog and you might mold each other.   who did the tree mold itself with?

But a dog will not ever be part of a community for over two hundred years.

there are many other trees that had been much closer part of a community for over 200 years,   this tree after all is mainly known for being in a scenic spot, not for being part of a community.

The statement is, to me, on par with, "Let's knock down Tintagel. It's just a pile of rocks."

Look at how the locals are reacting.

Yes, there ARE other trees that have been parts of communities for far longer.

I'd be just as pissed if any of those were destroyed, too.

(September 28, 2023 at 9:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 28, 2023 at 8:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: But a dog will not ever be part of a community for over two hundred years.

there are many other trees that had been much closer part of a community for over 200 years,   this tree after all is mainly known for being in a scenic spot, not for being part of a community.

I don't get the feeling that you care much about community and this is just your way of arguing.

I also don't get the feeling that you bond with anyone or care much about anything other than the supposed facts you share as though you are the smartest guy in the room.

Maybe you don't give a good damn about the tree but you should at least be able to agree that act of vandalism was uncalled for.

i do agree it is an reprehensible act of juvenile delinquency and vandalism,   but we should keep a perspective of its significance as a cultural loss.   i brought up hadrian’s wall to show where the bulk of the cultural value in the environs of the tree in question is, and the destruction of section of the great wall example of a more direct and substantial cultural loss that occurred at almost the same time but passed with hardly any notice.