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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 6:08 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 4:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you’re a good person only because of the threat of eternal punishment or the hope of eternal reward, you’re not a good person.
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To be a good person you need to be a horrible Christian
Have you met any Christians? They're actually really good people.....
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 8:07 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 4:01 pm)Ahriman Wrote: But it wouldn't happen in reality.
Neither would god.
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 8:13 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 6:08 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: To be a good person you need to be a horrible Christian
Have you met any Christians? They're actually really good people.....
“really good people.....” Whose gang leader instructs them to hate gay people and brown people.
Amen
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 9:12 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 6:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: They *need* to accept their theological system is real. But seriously, that is an excellent question ! 
Thinking free will is an accurate description of human decisions does not require any gods.
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 9:51 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 6:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 6:29 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: I thought so about free will.
It is not like determinism or even probability for that matter. I don't think free will is a think as I was trying to explain like neuroscience says it is not.
But yeah, religion does have a lot of BS. I do not think Jesus Christ even existed at all, did he not?
But yeah, if I understand what "precludes", as in "precludes free will" means, and I bet I do, I am sure what I was previously talking about or was trying to say before about how the mind works prevents free will from being a thing. In fact, one of the reasons, and I mean one out of perhaps many, as to why people believe in free will is that they want to believe they really are free, and they want to think that they can freely choose even when they actually don't. What other reasons could there be for people believing in free will?
They *need* to accept their theological system is real. But seriously, that is an excellent question !
Wait, it is? Which one? Forgive me for not understanding.
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 12, 2023 at 11:06 pm
(November 12, 2023 at 9:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 6:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: They *need* to accept their theological system is real. But seriously, that is an excellent question !
Thinking free will is an accurate description of human decisions does not require any gods.
Did I say it did ?
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 13, 2023 at 5:02 am
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2023 at 5:06 am by Ahriman.)
(November 12, 2023 at 8:13 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm)Ahriman Wrote: Have you met any Christians? They're actually really good people.....
“really good people.....” Whose gang leader instructs them to hate gay people and brown people.
Amen
Nah, this doesn't happen. Maybe it does in some fringe sects, I don't know. But it doesn't normally happen.
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 13, 2023 at 6:13 am
(November 13, 2023 at 5:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 8:13 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: “really good people.....” Whose gang leader instructs them to hate gay people and brown people.
Amen
Nah, this doesn't happen. Maybe it does in some fringe sects, I don't know. But it doesn't normally happen.
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 13, 2023 at 6:18 am
(November 12, 2023 at 7:55 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 6:08 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: To be a good person you need to be a horrible Christian
Have you met any Christians? They're actually really good people.....
There's this thing called 'coincidence'.
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RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 13, 2023 at 6:53 am
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2023 at 6:54 am by Bucky Ball.)
(November 13, 2023 at 5:02 am)Ahriman Wrote: (November 12, 2023 at 8:13 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: “really good people.....” Whose gang leader instructs them to hate gay people and brown people.
Amen
Nah, this doesn't happen. Maybe it does in some fringe sects, I don't know. But it doesn't normally happen.
"Hate the sin and not the sinner" .... yeah it really does happen all the time, millions of times a day.
Is the Catholic Church a fringe sect ?
Is US Fudamentalism a fringe sect ?
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
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