Who is Scooter???

(December 3, 2023 at 4:19 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 3, 2023 at 4:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ... it didn’t seem necessary to reply further, ...

I think this about the whole thread.
It's not serious any longer.
It should be enjoyed obviously - with a decent sense of humour - but truth is, no one is taking god or any of the questions seriously.
Its basically over.  :-)

That’s the thing about godtalk - Ecclesiastes 1:9.

Boru

(December 1, 2023 at 7:49 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(December 1, 2023 at 7:45 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: So let me get this straight. 
If you want to believe in something, you can just turn that on and off.

Where did I say that?

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(December 2, 2023 at 12:31 pm)Ahriman Wrote:

(December 2, 2023 at 12:18 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's hard to read whether statements like that natural consequences bit are just mistakes or a threat.  Do they think that believing in gods does something, or that if we don't..god is going to do something to us?  Sounds pleasant either way.

I guess I could try explaining how this works, but I'm not going to. It would be like trying to teach Spanish to a cat.

Because it only makes sense to you, right?

(December 3, 2023 at 4:34 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: Yes - it was a trap question.
I saw the dilema and thought - why not, as a brainteaser :-)  
It was a good to work out the question, but i couldn't seem to get the question to make sense without fundamentally changing god.  I had to reimagine god as something else to make the question fit - but then we aren't talking about god any more ??!?!?!  i got into that circle.

A pointless loop, as the question was about goodness, not godness.  God is whatever a god is and whatever is flowing out of a gods wherever is whatever -that- is.

It doesn't matter to goodness whether the thing we were apprehending would be a god anymore instead of a devil..which is, I guess(?), the "bad" version of a god.  Implying that you have a standard that -you- hold gods too.

That you both now apprehend and discuss the question as some sort of trap rather than a softball pitched at either of you - suggests to me, that neither of you feels confidently about the proposition that what is good is whatever flows out of gods wherever...and why should you?  

Neither of you think that, and neither do I. We all three think that, if things can be good, and if good stuff came out of gods wherever, it's really good stuff, not just whatever came out of someone's wherever. Caveman specifically invoked a purportedly objective standard to support an explicitly subjective understanding. Delicious. What will you do?

Keep in mind, ofc, that the who enterprise really is doomed - as even if you do wish to say that good is whatever happens to be shining out of gods wherever that's still just one of the widely accepted categories of meaning and import available to anyone regardless of any belief in or about personal and intervening deities. The only thing either of you is deciding is just how hard and how often to kick yourselves and each other in the dick. You both know and understand that there is meaning aside from your god meanings - even if you disagree with those other meanings as the right™ meanings. Hell, all either of you want to tell us about is how you disagree with those things, the trouble is that you sound silly when you try.

(December 3, 2023 at 5:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 3, 2023 at 4:19 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I think this about the whole thread.
It's not serious any longer.
It should be enjoyed obviously - with a decent sense of humour - but truth is, no one is taking god or any of the questions seriously.
Its basically over.  :-)

That’s the thing about godtalk - Ecclesiastes 1:9.

Boru

Im finding that so on here - yes

(December 3, 2023 at 5:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A pointless loop, as the question was about goodness, not godness.  God is whatever a god is and whatever is flowing out of a gods wherever -that- is.  

It doesn't matter to goodness whether the thing we were apprehending would be a god anymore instead of a devil..which is, I guess(?), the "bad" version of a god.  Implying that you have a standard that -you- hold gods too.

That you both now apprehend and discuss the question as some sort of trap rather than a softball pitched at you - suggests to me that neither of you feels confidently about the proposition that what is good is whatever flows out of gods whatever...and why should you?  

Neither of you think that, and neither do I.

I'll be honest mate - I stopped engaging in your replies as we hit a rock. I dont see things as you do :-) I allow myself to be lead from time to time for curiosity or for the exercise ;-)

I think you let slip that you're a great guy - and i bet in real life you are !!!! (I mean that - thats not a joke, or banter or trolling - i really think that !!!). In another life - we could be drinking buddies haha ;-)

(December 3, 2023 at 5:08 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 3, 2023 at 5:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That’s the thing about godtalk - Ecclesiastes 1:9.

Boru

Im finding that so on here - yes

It’s not just here. Godists have nothing to say that we haven’t heard a thousand times before.

Boru

(December 3, 2023 at 5:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 3, 2023 at 5:08 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: Im finding that so on here - yes

It’s not just here. Godists have nothing to say that we haven’t heard a thousand times before.

Boru

Yeah - i get it.  I feel the same  :-)  we agree.  same old arguments over and over and over.

Time to move on probably

(December 3, 2023 at 5:17 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 3, 2023 at 5:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A pointless loop, as the question was about goodness, not godness.  God is whatever a god is and whatever is flowing out of a gods wherever -that- is.  

It doesn't matter to goodness whether the thing we were apprehending would be a god anymore instead of a devil..which is, I guess(?), the "bad" version of a god.  Implying that you have a standard that -you- hold gods too.

That you both now apprehend and discuss the question as some sort of trap rather than a softball pitched at you - suggests to me that neither of you feels confidently about the proposition that what is good is whatever flows out of gods whatever...and why should you?  

Neither of you think that, and neither do I.

I'll be honest mate - I stopped engaging in your replies as we hit a rock.  I dont see things as you do :-)  I allow myself to be lead from time to time for curiosity or for the exercise ;-)

I think you let slip that you're a great guy - and i bet in real life you are !!!!   (I mean that - thats not a joke, or banter or trolling - i really think that !!!).  In another life - we could be drinking buddies haha ;-)

How could you possibly deny it if you wanted to?

Either there are facts about me that make me great, or greatness is whatever comes out of my wherever.