(December 5, 2023 at 5:53 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 5:44 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Why did you jump to the conclusion it was jesus and not aliens?

I knew it was jesus.  knowledge - i just sort of knew

Auditory hallucinations are no uncommon.

Boru

(December 5, 2023 at 7:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 5:53 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I knew it was jesus.  knowledge - i just sort of knew

Auditory hallucinations are no uncommon.

Boru

I’m sorry - did you say something ??

(December 5, 2023 at 7:26 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 7:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Auditory hallucinations are no uncommon.

Boru

I’m sorry - did you say something ??

See?

Boru

(December 5, 2023 at 7:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: See?

No. Hear.

(December 5, 2023 at 9:33 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Doesn't this presume that there is a correct moral thing, and that it can be known?  

Yes, I think that being a Christian means presuming that there is a correct answer to each moral question. Whether we can know it or not is a more difficult question. 

The point of Jesus is that he knew the answer in each circumstance. This seems to be true of certain saints as well (depending on what flavor of Christian is speaking). 

At the top of Purgatory, after Dante has had all his personality flaws corrected, his guide tells him that from now on he should do whatever he wants. Because with undistorted moral vision, you will unfailingly want what is best. 

This is only available to Catholics after one dies and gets purged. Extreme Antinomians, however, think it is possible in this life if your heart is in the right place. I am skeptical of this. 

Quote:And loving each other can lead to terrible behaviours, as the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  And too much empathy can lead to paralysis and ineffective choices.

I understand the appeal of the sentimental aesthetic christ-myth, but the usage of it as a moral exemplar is more harm than good, I feel.

Too much love or empathy can be dangerous, I suppose. I don't think that the difficulties we are dealing with now generally result from those causes, however. We can still do with far more of both.

Whether casting Jesus as a role model improves things I suppose depends on how people imagine Jesus. There's a lot of variation.

If you believe something is real when it can't be proven then you're lying to yourself, and others. This is inherently dishonest.

(December 5, 2023 at 8:52 pm)Belacqua Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 9:33 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Doesn't this presume that there is a correct moral thing, and that it can be known?  

Yes, I think that being a Christian means presuming that there is a correct answer to each moral question. Whether we can know it or not is a more difficult question. 

The point of Jesus is that he knew the answer in each circumstance. This seems to be true of certain saints as well (depending on what flavor of Christian is speaking). 

At the top of Purgatory, after Dante has had all his personality flaws corrected, his guide tells him that from now on he should do whatever he wants. Because with undistorted moral vision, you will unfailingly want what is best. 

This is only available to Catholics after one dies and gets purged. Extreme Antinomians, however, think it is possible in this life if your heart is in the right place. I am skeptical of this. 

Which means fuck all considering "what is best" is entirely subjective. Having "undistorted moral vision" just means you can justify doing literally anything, as long as you (personally) feel it is right.

(December 5, 2023 at 7:30 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 7:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: See?

No.  Hear.

'Read', I think you mean.

Boru

(December 5, 2023 at 7:09 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 6:58 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: You knew it was something making you believe it was jesus or you sort of knew

Wouldn’t jesus know before you that god was sending demons to fuck with you? 

Why’d jesus wait until you cried? 

That’s when yahweh cut him loose to save you?

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. 

Haven’t we been over this???

Sorry.

You are the one claiming to be confused Confused-by…..

(December 5, 2023 at 5:53 pm)Confused-by-christianity Wrote:

(December 5, 2023 at 5:44 pm)h4ym4n Wrote: Why did you jump to the conclusion it was jesus and not aliens?

I knew it was jesus.  knowledge - i just sort of knew

Could you have been - sort of- wrong that Jesus was the cause of your -sort of- experience? I am asking because for me its sort of utterly unconvincing.