(November 9, 2024 at 11:41 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 2:55 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Ah, so it was just a sample size fallacy remark. Got it.

I was just relating my personal experience in order to point out an overbroad generalization. If you took it as something more, that's on you. Read for comprehension rather than argumentation.

You could also look at the demographics of criminality without thinking about what I related above at all.

He's too arrogant to listen and to cowardly to really engage . I imagine he will run to his favorite button after calling you a racist or a troll before to long

(November 9, 2024 at 3:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Sorry, I should have started a step higher; you trust Hollywood to not lie about concentration camps in America?

That we unConstitutionally interned about 120,000 Japanese-Americans, most of whom were citizens, in concentration camps is a fact.

Now, before you get your knockers in a twist read up on the difference between concentration camps and death camps. America did not run death camps. Neither did the British in the Boer War. Both ran concentration camps, in order to concentrate those they deemed enemies into easily guarded cages.

And, of course, as I mentioned before, concentration camps can vary in how humanely they treat their inmates, even if they don’t execute their inmates. And, from what I’ve read, even places like Manzanar (as fundamentally wrong as the whole thing was) seem comparatively humane in comparison to what I’ve seen of today’s border camps.

I'll point out though human unjustified captivity is still  unjustified captivity

(November 9, 2024 at 9:59 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote:

Quote:Feel free to put me on the ignore list, it's really simple; click my name and then look the bottom right in the sorta middle of the screen.

Nah he's not a coward like you. He doesn't need to scurry and hide. He like the rest of us will keep showing you up till you likely run your course. Like the numerous other trolls before you.

I think it offends his sensibilities that I will no longer engage with him. He's shown his colors and has no interest in honest dialog, and I have no interest in entertaining his bullshit.

(November 10, 2024 at 1:22 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: I'll point out though human unjustified captivity is still  unjustified captivity

Naturally.

(November 9, 2024 at 11:52 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 3:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Sorry, I should have started a step higher; you trust Hollywood to not lie about concentration camps in America?

That we unConstitutionally interned about 120,000 Japanese-Americans, most of whom were citizens, in concentration camps is a fact.

Now, before you get your knockers in a twist read up on the difference between concentration camps and death camps. America did not run death camps. Neither did the British in the Boer War. Both ran concentration camps, in order to concentrate those they deemed enemies into easily guarded cages.

Please stop presupposing I am unaware of what the concentration camps of WW2.

Do you trust a Hollywood actor that the temporary shelter and processing camps established along the border under the Obama administration to actually be concentration camps?

Likewise, do you believe that the multi-billion dollar industry heavily tied not just to some of the most powerful corporations in the world but also some of the largest criminal organizations and deeply entwined with (at least) one of the world's largest governments might have incentive to mischaracterize and misrepresent the truth in an attempt to protect the status quo within the government?

Case in point - the child crying with his head on the concrete, alone in the cage, cover photo for months... taken in 2014, Obama administration.

(November 10, 2024 at 3:21 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 11:52 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That we unConstitutionally interned about 120,000 Japanese-Americans, most of whom were citizens, in concentration camps is a fact.

Now, before you get your knockers in a twist read up on the difference between concentration camps and death camps. America did not run death camps. Neither did the British in the Boer War. Both ran concentration camps, in order to concentrate those they deemed enemies into easily guarded cages.

Please stop presupposing I am unaware of what the concentration camps of WW2.

Do you trust a Hollywood actor that the temporary shelter and processing camps established along the border under the Obama administration to actually be concentration camps?

Likewise, do you believe that the multi-billion dollar industry heavily tied not just to some of the most powerful corporations in the world but also some of the largest criminal organizations and deeply entwined with (at least) one of the world's largest governments might have incentive to mischaracterize and misrepresent the truth in an attempt to protect the status quo within the government?

Case in point - the child crying with his head on the concrete, alone in the cage, cover photo for months... taken in 2014, Obama administration.

Yes, I do. Definitionally, those 'temporary shelter and processing camps' under Obama were ABSOLUTELY concentration camps.

Next stupid question, please.

Boru

(November 10, 2024 at 3:21 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Likewise, do you believe that the multi-billion dollar industry heavily tied not just to some of the most powerful corporations in the world but also some of the largest criminal organizations and deeply entwined with (at least) one of the world's largest governments might have incentive to mischaracterize and misrepresent the truth in an attempt to protect the status quo within the government?

Takei wasn’t talking about the border camps as part of a project for a movie. He’s talking about them as a person who went through something similar.

And how exactly is speaking up against these inhumane conditions, which you yourself admit happened under Barack Obama as well as under Donald Trump supposed to be protecting the status quo within the government? Given that this horseshit has been going on for over a decade under multiple administration, interning immigrants under inhumane conditions practically is the Status Quo within the government.

(November 9, 2024 at 5:43 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(November 9, 2024 at 4:33 pm)Angrboda Wrote: People in prison who were duly convicted sing similar songs.  Your spin on reality isn't reality.  "It was rigged!"  That should be the new RNC slogan.

The legal system is notorious for never discriminating against people based on factors such as politics or race, I'm sure we would both agree.

So firstly this is a straw man fallacy, since no one claimed this, and secondly if you're implying that because we have objective evidence this happens, that this must be what happened Trump, because you are too biased to accept the fact of his convictions, then it is also a hasty generalisation fallacy. 

1) Yes the US justice system can be objectively evidenced to exhibit bias, against the poor for example, where it has been objectively demonstrated time and again, that poor legal representation has enabled people to be coerced into accepting plea bargains, when the evidence against them was extremely dubious.

3) The US legal system can be objectively demonstrated to be biased against certain ethnicities and skin colour, by citing sentencing disparities for similar convictions for example.  

4) Trump by comparison had the best lawyers money could buy, and a lengthy trial, and the evidence demonstrated his guilt was and is beyond any reasonable doubt, and his sentencing was demonstrably never going to be severe, and now likely will amount to nothing significant. 

So your disdain for people who have not actually been convicted of a crime as "criminals", is starkly contrasted by your breathless worship of a man who is a convicted felon. NB There is no objective evidence that Trump's trial was any sort of conspiracy against him, only the kind of vapid rhetoric you have presented here. FWIW, I have no political allegiances here, since I am not from the US.