(December 11, 2024 at 12:40 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I cant say it's surprising that when you hear of an all-powerful God the only thing you can think is, "How can he benefit me though?"

I'm wondering why an all-powerful and loving "Father" cannot protect his "children" from dangers he himself created. That's a different kettle of fish.

That's also a question you clearly have no answer for.

(December 11, 2024 at 12:40 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: It's a nice post; Christians have been dealing with the concept of "in-group/out-group" since the writing of the Book of Acts and one that we thankfully got sorted out pretty quickly; rejecting the insular and ethno-centric legal beliefs of Rabbinic/Pharisaic Judaism and instead embracing an ideology that allowed all ethnicities and women to be both welcomed into the fold and gave them a prominent role in the faith.

The Catholic Church is doing everything it can to provide support to those at the border; unfortunately most border Catholic communities are significantly economically struggling themselves and the broader Church has been barely keeping itself afloat.

... and yet you support and voted for a man who aims to drastically increase the cruelty with which these immigrants are treated. I wonder what your Jesus would think of you, if he actually existed. You should be happy he doesn't, because he would not be applauding you, I suspect.

(December 10, 2024 at 10:52 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 10:49 pm)brewer Wrote: ^^^Intentionally feigned ignorance or yet another example of poor trolling?

Neither; would you people truly enjoy it if I just ignored everything you say and then just state, "Intentionally feigned ignorance or yet another example of atheist closed-mindedness?" It's stupid and it's obvious neither of us can assume and predict what the other actually believes, so let's try to do better.

I've only progressively begun to engage in insulting ideas as it became more and more clear that no one here held rational beliefs, or even beliefs worthy of respect - racism, sexism, murder? - if you want to have a serious conversation, I'm more than interested, but otherwise I will continue to make sure irrational remarks are pointed out as such - and honestly, yeah I'll try to have less fun in doing it because I don't want to stoop to their level and I don't want it to come across as petty to any strangers who might swing by and potentially buy into that nonsense.

As the purple swirl icon said in... somewhat similar words... "See racism, call out racism - see irrational, call out irrational - see evil, call out evil - even if the boss supports it."

My point is that christens don't get to kill in gods name in one era and then claim persecution in another. Well............ they actually can but it then demonstrates faults in their belief system and their sense of (false) entitlement.

And if you sincerely need to ask for examples of christian killings across the centuries then it appears to me that you're either not as intelligent as you claim, that you're blinded by your religious fervor, or that (for troll reasons) you're intentionally feigning ignorance.

(December 10, 2024 at 11:53 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Here is a good one about the 112 churches in Canada that have been vandalized since the false accusation of the boarding schools made national news; the "mass graves" were a bunch of stones under the ground, but any excuse to burn a church is a good excuse and don't expect the leftist government of Canada to apologize anytime soon for their role in this extremism.

https://tnc.news/2024/09/30/a-map-of-eve...ncements5/

Oh noes! The Canadians are persecuting us! 

Listen, we know that you can't get off unless you're feeling persecuted, but try to make your masturbatory fantasies a little more realistic and a little less tragic. The mass graves at the residential schools were not just "a bunch of stones underground" but given the pure propaganda in your link you probably don't know that.

Regardless, I expect that you know the rule about Burden of Proof. He who shovels the bullshits gets to back it up. And no, a handful of links about some isolated incidents from obviously skewed sources don't count. We want the data from reputable sources showing that you poor Christian snowflakes face more hardship than any other religious group. Seeing as Christianity has wiped out entire faiths I'm betting that'll be a tough row to hoe. And good luck beating out the Kurds, Yezidi, Zoroastrians, Ba'hai, or the Uyghur Muslims.

Today there are 12 countries where atheism is a capital offense. Of the remainder the overwhelming majority engage in less intense persecution via blasphemy laws or simple neglect.

Fun fact, Christmas has been banned at least twice. Both times by Christians. Care to guess which religion is best at persecuting Christians? Hint: "Catholics aren't real Christians!"

(December 11, 2024 at 12:04 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 11:53 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Here is a good one about the 112 churches in Canada that have been vandalized since the false accusation of the boarding schools made national news; the "mass graves" were a bunch of stones under the ground, but any excuse to burn a church is a good excuse and don't expect the leftist government of Canada to apologize anytime soon for their role in this extremism.

https://tnc.news/2024/09/30/a-map-of-eve...ncements5/

Oh noes! The Canadians are persecuting us! 

Listen, we know that you can't get off unless you're feeling persecuted, but try to make your masturbatory fantasies a little more realistic and a little less tragic. The mass graves at the residential schools were not just "a bunch of stones underground" but given the pure propaganda in your link you probably don't know that.

Regardless, I expect that you know the rule about Burden of Proof. He who shovels the bullshits gets to back it up. And no, a handful of links about some isolated incidents from obviously skewed sources don't count. We want the data from reputable sources showing that you poor Christian snowflakes face more hardship than any other religious group. Seeing as Christianity has wiped out entire faiths I'm betting that'll be a tough row to hoe. And good luck beating out the Kurds, Yezidi, Zoroastrians, Ba'hai, or the Uyghur Muslims.

Today there are 12 countries where atheism is a capital offense. Of the remainder the overwhelming majority engage in less intense persecution via blasphemy laws or simple neglect.

Fun fact, Christmas has been banned at least twice. Both times by Christians. Care to guess which religion is best at persecuting Christians? Hint: "Catholics aren't real Christians!"

Also just ignore the churches compliancy in the residential school system which did lead to deaths and disappearances  and plenty of religious organizations have not apologized for there role in that.

Also more details on this narrative

https://chrr.info/wp-content/uploads/202...Canada.pdf

Also True North as a source an ultra right-wing rag with mixed ratings in terms of accuracy .....Par for the course I guess.

Also it should be pointed out that it's never been proven that even majority of the burnings had to do with the mass grave reporting and may have had to do with long going disputes between first nations and various churches and mental illness in case of the Surray burning.

Th idea that the crimes in the Catholic boarding schools for native tribesmen are false is ridiculous. Both in Canada and America, the fact that the Catholic Church engaged in pederasty and other tortures is evidenced. If this is a lie and the Catholic Church did nothing untoward, then why did Pope Francis apologize?

Quote:MASKWACIS, Alberta (AP) — Pope Francis issued a historic apology Monday for the Catholic Church’s cooperation with Canada’s “catastrophic” policy of Indigenous residential schools, saying the forced assimilation of Native peoples into Christian society destroyed their cultures, severed families and marginalized generations.

“I am deeply sorry,” Francis said to applause from school survivors and Indigenous community members gathered at a former residential school south of Edmonton, Alberta. He called the school policy a “disastrous error” that was incompatible with the Gospel and said further investigation and healing is needed.

“I humbly beg forgiveness for the evil committed by so many Christians against the Indigenous peoples,” Francis said.

In the first event of his weeklong “penitential pilgrimage,” Francis traveled to the lands of four Cree nations to pray at a cemetery and then deliver the long-sought apology at nearby powwow ceremonial grounds. Four chiefs escorted the pontiff in a wheelchair to the site near the former Ermineskin Indian Residential School, and presented him with a feathered headdress after he spoke, making him an honorary leader of the community.

Francis’ words went beyond his earlier apology for the “deplorable” abuses committed by missionaries and instead took institutional responsibility for the church’s cooperation with Canada’s “catastrophic” assimilation policy, which the country’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission said amounted to a “cultural genocide.”

More than 150,000 native children in Canada were forced to attend government-funded Christian schools from the 19th century until the 1970s in an effort to isolate them from the influence of their homes and culture. The aim was to Christianize and assimilate them into mainstream society, which previous Canadian governments considered superior.


Ottawa has admitted that physical and sexual abuse was rampant at the schools, with students beaten for speaking their native languages. That legacy of that abuse and isolation from family has been cited by Indigenous leaders as a root cause of the epidemic rates of alcohol and drug addiction now on Canadian reservations.

The discoveries of hundreds of potential burial sites at former schools in the past year drew international attention to the schools in Canada and their counterparts in the United States. The revelations prompted Francis to comply with the truth commission’s call for an apology on Canadian soil; Catholic religious orders operated 66 of the country’s 139 residential schools.

https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-...f257ec0163

You were either unaware of these events, or you are committing false witness. Typical apologist.

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^Gotta wonder why Pope Francis would apologize for graves full of stones and not bodies.

Boru

(December 10, 2024 at 7:29 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: Such is life when immorality and jealously are just so in vogue. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48146305

https://www.opendoorsus.org/en-US/persec...countries/

The bible suggests this is good news though. 

Matthew 5:10-12

"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake. For theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

That's the trouble with religions, they all want to claim they are the one true religion, though of course publicly declaring yourself an atheist in many of the places cited in those reports, would end pretty much the same, and we don't have the delusional fantasy of an afterlife to cling to.

This should be a stark warning to those Christians in the US, to wind their necks in, and stop abusing the 1st amendment rights of others, as along with a secular government, this provides protection from such persecution. Yet many seem determined to destroy that in favour of some form of theocracy.

Quote:"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake. For theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Amen.

(December 11, 2024 at 12:42 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: ^Gotta wonder why Pope Francis would apologize for graves full of stones and not bodies.

Boru

Wow - it's almost like the global media pushed a narrative and caused massive public outcry then just kinda disspeared when it turned out the "mass graves" were the walls of a previous church. 

I have to respect the consistency - "Stir shit up, cause social issues, then dip until it tears itself apart and pretend you didn't instigate it" has been one hell of a strategy for the last 200-so years.