(December 11, 2024 at 4:32 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

Quote:I'm wondering why an all-powerful and loving "Father" cannot protect his "children" from dangers he himself created. That's a different kettle of fish.

No, it's not - you are, at the end of the day, concerned with what *He* can do for *you.*

How you choose to rationalize it doesn't change anything.

No, we are not concerned with what "he" can do for us.

We don't think "he" exists, so why should such nonsense concern us?

Damn, you dumb!

(December 11, 2024 at 4:31 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

Quote:https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-...f257ec0163

You were either unaware of these events, or you are committing false witness. Typical apologist.

Wow, it's almost like that is *precisely* the event I was referencing when I talked about the hysteria of a "mass grave" being pushed by the media just for LIDAR and excavations to find the previous walls of a church.

I *didn't* know about that, wow guys I think I'm psychic!

Did you mean psychotic, by any chance?

(December 11, 2024 at 7:10 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 9:29 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: At least 317 million Christians live in nations where they face legal discrimination and human rights violation.

The price of success, maybe if they hadn't spent centuries persecuting, converting and committing genocide on other nations, they wouldn't be in this position, you never know. Though why you're whining to atheists about theists persecuting each other isn't clear.  

Quote:If the Jewish community has a word, it's probably to say - "Hey, don't make the same mistakes we did and let someone else genocide you while 'academics' turn a blind eye or cheer it on."

Even for you, that's pure nonsense. FYI, the Holocaust was a religious persecution that stemmed from centuries of Antisemitism from Christianity. Do you know who wasn't allowed in the SS, apart from Jews obviously? Atheists were not allowed...

"Heinrich Himmler was a strong promoter of the gottgläubig movement and did not allow atheists into the SS, arguing that their "refusal to acknowledge higher powers" would be a "potential source of indiscipline".

"The SS oath (Eidformel der Schutzstaffel), written by Himmler, also specifically denounced atheists"

There's also the Heer's belt-buckle --



Somehow this dink's pope-of-the-moment never got around to disowning this idea.

But how can we be moral without faith in god?

(December 11, 2024 at 4:32 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

Quote:I'm wondering why an all-powerful and loving "Father" cannot protect his "children" from dangers he himself created. That's a different kettle of fish.

No, it's not - you are, at the end of the day, concerned with what *He* can do for *you.*

How you choose to rationalize it doesn't change anything.

If your godthing is real why the fuck wouldn’t I be concerned with what it can do for me?

It forced me into existence.  No free will choice on my part

(December 10, 2024 at 9:32 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 9:31 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You…utter…shit.

Boru

choose better friends who don't justify genocide

Have you actually read the bible? Another irony overload, please do keep these comedy gold moments coming.

(December 11, 2024 at 7:41 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 9:32 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: choose better friends who don't justify genocide

Have you actually read the bible? Another irony overload, please do keep these comedy gold moments coming.

I have - I have even asked this question multiple times now, without response; if you want to break that mold, I will appreciate it...

...what do you do to a hostile foreign force that has spent centuries murdering you, robbing from you, stealing your women as sex slaves and children as sacrifices? 

It also was not genocide, as the intent was not to destroy either a national, ethnic, religious, or racial group - it was to destroy a hostile foreign force, the same as GWoT or Ukraine.

(December 11, 2024 at 7:21 pm)h4ym4n Wrote:

(December 11, 2024 at 4:32 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: No, it's not - you are, at the end of the day, concerned with what *He* can do for *you.*

How you choose to rationalize it doesn't change anything.

If your godthing is real why the fuck wouldn’t I be concerned with what it can do for me?

Because presumably you should be more mature as a person, though that is neither guranteed nor in anyone's hands other than your own.

The loss of nobility for dictatorship of the masses - and the ability to comprehend concepts like "respect" and "values" - has nearly done as much damage to the Western psyche as the rejection of God and the Liberal Value Plague of 1848 - if you cant figure out why an all-powerful figure deserves better than your attitude and demanding things from him... well, I wish you the best of luck learning going forward.