(December 12, 2024 at 5:08 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

Quote:Is that why he dooms people to hell if they don't believe in him? Some free will there! "Think as I command or suffer for eternity!"

People doom themselves to hell when they choose to reject a place in God's presence, 

Like people who doom themselves to being murdered, or beaten up, when they don't pay protection. It's their fault, not the scumbag deity...sorry criminal, who actually commits the crime. 

Quote:and yet again atheists struggle with even the most basic of concepts and think themselves master theologians.

More evidence you don't grasp what an atheist is. One does not need to be an expert in the Harry Potter novels, in order to disbelieve the claim wizards are real...

Now I ask again, what (if any) objective evidence can you demonstrate that any deity or anything supernatural exists, or is even possible? 

Otherwise your claims are pretty meaningless, just saying. You could try threatening me with an imaginary posthumous torture chamber again...that was pretty amusing.

^Threats are not allowed here. But threats of an eternity in hell is make believe so we let that one pass.

(December 12, 2024 at 5:08 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

Quote:Is that why he dooms people to hell if they don't believe in him? Some free will there! "Think as I command or suffer for eternity!"

People doom themselves to hell when they choose to reject a place in God's presence, and yet again atheists struggle with even the most basic of concepts and think themselves master theologians.

Two problems fairly leap to mind:

1. Why does God knowingly create people who will reject him?

2. Why would God give people free will and then eternally damn them for using it?

People don’t doom themselves, me old china. God does it for them.

Boru

Quote:People doom themselves to hell when they choose to reject a place in God's presence, and yet again atheists struggle with even the most basic of concepts and think themselves master theologians.

1. Nope god dooms you to hell because he set up everything and thus bears 100% responsibility for everything . Sorry he can't the author of free will and not responsible for the descions someone made. He can't creator of everything without bearing all the responsibility for everything that occurs.

2. No we understand you theology perfectly  we just understand it to be nonesense. There no arrogance like someone defending an ideology.

Quote:Bro... :lol:

Appreciate that one, that was good. Sometimes it's worth it.

I love how he he never has a counter.

(December 12, 2024 at 5:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 12, 2024 at 5:08 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: People doom themselves to hell when they choose to reject a place in God's presence, and yet again atheists struggle with even the most basic of concepts and think themselves master theologians.

Two problems fairly leap to mind:

1. Why does God knowingly create people who will reject him?

2. Why would God give people free will and then eternally damn them for using it?

People don’t doom themselves, me old china. God does it for them.

Boru

Indeed

1. He can't create people without being 100% responsible for those people do especially  in the role of and all knowing all powerful being

2. He can't be the author of freewill and not be 100% for any and every choice that was made with it   especially  in the role of and all knowing all powerful being

3. People cannot doom themselves for they were neither the authors of their own freewill nor did they create themselves nor did they create the rules only a being that did all that can bear any responsibility at all for how things went.

(December 10, 2024 at 10:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 10:44 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: I refer to my pervious statements for the sake of brevity

I appreciate that you are maybe a bit shy and didn't want to admit you had no evidence, it's okay. I'll look it up myself.

You might want to check 1939-1944 CE.

(December 12, 2024 at 7:13 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 10:47 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote: I appreciate that you are maybe a bit shy and didn't want to admit you had no evidence, it's okay. I'll look it up myself.

You might want to check 1939-1944 CE.

Nah he's just a disingenuous dick take nothing he says seriously

(December 10, 2024 at 9:29 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

(December 10, 2024 at 7:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Jewish community would like a word.

Boru

As of 2024 the global Jewish population is 15.7 million - the majority living in either Western nations or Israel where their rights are protected.

At least 317 million Christians live in nations where they face legal discrimination and human rights violation.

If the Jewish community has a word, it's probably to say - "Hey, don't make the same mistakes we did and let someone else genocide you while 'academics' turn a blind eye or cheer it on."

I really feel bad for that 13% or so of Christians who live in places where they face legal discrimination and human rights violations.

(December 12, 2024 at 5:08 pm)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:

Quote:Is that why he dooms people to hell if they don't believe in him? Some free will there! "Think as I command or suffer for eternity!"

People doom themselves to hell when they choose to reject a place in God's presence, and yet again atheists struggle with even the most basic of concepts and think themselves master theologians.

You ignore the point: a choice made under duress is not a true choice.

I notice you're clipping off quotation links, as if you're hoping you won't find answers.

But please address my point: if your choice is made under threat, are you really exercising free will?