If something exists it is natural, supernatural is a meaningless term.

(January 1, 2025 at 7:57 pm)Tonus Wrote: She's got a point-- remember that time when god covered everyone (with lots and lots of water)?

The level of indoctrination is cringe worthy.

Jordan Peterson is an atheist who caters to an audience that largely believes in god, and he twists himself into all kinds of shapes in order to avoid offending them. I am not sure how effective that is, since he tends to try and turn the Bible into a psychological self-help tome where god is whatever we need to define him as in order to feel better about ourselves... but never god.

Lobsterman is a pragmatic christian, according to him.

(December 30, 2024 at 2:53 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: If you really, really want to be persecuted, you can always find a way.

If anyone wants to be persecuted, I can find a way.

(January 2, 2025 at 5:41 pm)Tonus Wrote: Jordan Peterson is an atheist

LoL why would you think that? You should really pay a visit to the interview I linked because it literally says in the title that he is a Christian. He then says in the interview that he is a Christian and that he attends church regularly.

(January 4, 2025 at 12:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(January 2, 2025 at 5:41 pm)Tonus Wrote: Jordan Peterson is an atheist

LoL why would you think that?

In a number of interviews, he has expressed ideas about "god" where god is just a metaphor for some other concept, like achievement or status-setting, and so on. I have no doubt that he will occasionally claim to be Christian, but it's a form of Christianity that bears no resemblance to Christianity.

Peterson particularly says that people who think that he is agnostic are wrong and that he's a Christian

Quote:MG: Would you call yourself a Christian? And if not, why not?

JP: I would say in the deepest sense, yes. But I’m not a typical Christian because I’m striving for understanding above all. I suppose people might pillory me as agnostic, but that’s not true because I don’t believe that the proper relationship between this underlying unity and myself would be established as a consequence of intellectual conquest. I’m a new kind of Christian. How about that? The manner in which I’m discussing these stories in my work has attracted a wide attention from precisely the people who were most disenchanted with the approach of the classic churches.

Yeah, that comment from him is a good example of the tightrope that he walks. I've seen other interviews (I think Rationality Rules had a video about it) where his explanation of his concept of god and of some of the Biblical stories is unlike anything I ever heard in church or from other Christians. More like phsychiatry than religion. I think guys like him want to straddle the line; they don't want to have to earnestly defend the wackiness of the Bible, but his audience is probably mostly Christian and he doesn't want to alienate them. It reminds me of a few other conservative voices who try to never mention religion unless it's superficial.

I think the political right is coming to a crossroads with regards to Christianity. There are still a lot of Americans who are devout believers, and the GOP cannot afford to abandon that demographic (although their support for Trump makes me think that they are a lot more forgiving than might have been expected). But I think that demographic is shrinking, and if they really want to become a 'big tent' or attract more rational thinkers, they have to know that their leading voices will, eventually, be non-religious, if not outright atheist.

He's attempting to evolve christianity into a new schism.