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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm)chipan Wrote: approach it from the view that God did everything intentionally. see if you can come up with reasons.
So god intended for Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit? He also intended for the snake to encourage them to? God intended for mankind to be sinful and he intended for the flood to erase what he caused in the first place? So...where is the sense? When does it actually make sense?
None of it makes any sense! God is an idiot, you crazy lot talk bollocks and here I am wondering why I'm arguing with a child?!
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:26 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: One thing I forgot to mention in the whole global flood thing was - Why would god need to flood the fucking planet clean for in the first place? Is he really that useless at designing and managing his own creation? Is he really that incompetent? Also with animals being thousands of miles away, it'll take them fucking ages to arrive at the boat. They need to eat on the way and I bet that by leaving their natural environments they would be going places that'll lack certain foods. Also venturing into different climates.
Total nonsense.
The funny thing is that the Noah story is the first story in Genesis AFTER the garden of eden...so right off that bat god fucked up.
Honestly, the book of Genesis is embarassing. Its so embrassing that if someone asks me if i believe in it i quickly jump to "no". I want it to be clear to people that i dont even give it an inch of credibility, and if we dont knwo, we can at least be certain that the book of Genesis is still dead wrong, boring, malevolent, and something people should be embarassed to admit in believing in y2k.
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: (January 2, 2012 at 5:16 pm)chipan Wrote: approach it from the view that God did everything intentionally. see if you can come up with reasons.
So god intended for Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden fruit? He also intended for the snake to encourage them to? God intended for mankind to be sinful and he intended for the flood to erase what he caused in the first place? So...where is the sense? When does it actually make sense?
None of it makes any sense! God is an idiot, you crazy lot talk bollocks and here I am wondering why I'm arguing with a child?!
ok fine i'll give the answer. he inteanded for the fall of man b/c he wanted to give man choice to follow him or not. our time on earth is a test and how well we do deturmines our place in heaven. as for the flood, i believe the fallen angels had some role in that. he gave angels a choice too.
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Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Some people are seriously out of their freakin' minds.
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:33 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm)chipan Wrote: ok fine i'll give the answer. he inteanded for the fall of man b/c he wanted to give man choice to follow him or not. our time on earth is a test and how well we do deturmines our place in heaven. as for the flood, i believe the fallen angels had some role in that. he gave angels a choice too.
Still makes no sense. He already KNEW what was going to happen! All knowing pal. He knew the outcome, the test is unnecessary. I worked that out very quickly, does that make me smarter and wiser than god? Perhaps this 'god' of yours doesn't exist.
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm
AceOtana Wrote:Still makes no sense. He already KNEW what was going to happen! All knowing pal. He knew the outcome, the test is unnecessary. I worked that out very quickly, does that make me smarter and wiser than god? Perhaps this 'god' of yours doesn't exist.
how rightous would it be for God to send people to hell b/c he knew what choices they would make but didn't allow them to make them?
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:37 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm)chipan Wrote: ok fine i'll give the answer. he inteanded for the fall of man b/c he wanted to give man choice to follow him or not. our time on earth is a test and how well we do deturmines our place in heaven. as for the flood, i believe the fallen angels had some role in that. he gave angels a choice too.
how can you have a choice when an all powerful, all knowing god who has a plan runs the universe? He would automatically know every single decision you would make thousands of years before you were born, and since he has a plan then freewill is merely an illusion. god planned for you to make all of them decisions.
As far as God testing humans, thats stupid. Is your god incapable of knowing the future? Is your god incapable of knowing everything? If your god knows EVERYTHING, then why does he need to test people. Tests are for determining what decisions someone will make. God knows EVERYTHING. So he knows what decisions you are going to make before you even make them.
Angels have freewill? So that means angels can do things without the knowledge of God? Or did god know they were going to rebel? Was the rebelion part of gods plan? Well, god knows EVERYTHING, and if he honestly doesnt want something to happen he would not let it happen. God new the angels would rebel before he even created them, yet he created them anyways, which means God created his angels to rebel.
honestly dude...you arent much of a deep thinker are you?
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:38 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: One thing I forgot to mention in the whole global flood thing was - Why would god need to flood the fucking planet clean for in the first place?
He was throwing a hissy fit because his playthings wouldn't listen to him?
Seriously - this kind of bullshit should only be believed by children and simpletons. It doesn't stand up to any kind of rational thought, nor does the evidence support that it happened, or even could have.
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:40 pm
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(January 2, 2012 at 5:36 pm)chipan Wrote: AceOtana Wrote:Still makes no sense. He already KNEW what was going to happen! All knowing pal. He knew the outcome, the test is unnecessary. I worked that out very quickly, does that make me smarter and wiser than god? Perhaps this 'god' of yours doesn't exist.
how rightous would it be for God to send people to hell b/c he knew what choices they would make but didn't allow them to make them?
ALL KNOWING! He knew the outcome! He already knew the choices that people were going to make. The whole thing was rigged.
The whole thing is totally unnecessary! God is an idiot.
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Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
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RE: Theists: Why do you love God?
January 2, 2012 at 5:43 pm
(January 2, 2012 at 5:38 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (January 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: One thing I forgot to mention in the whole global flood thing was - Why would god need to flood the fucking planet clean for in the first place?
He was throwing a hissy fit because his playthings wouldn't listen to him?
Seriously - this kind of bullshit should only be believed by children and simpletons. It doesn't stand up to any kind of rational thought, nor does the evidence support that it happened, or even could have.
The lovecraft stories about Cthulhu are a hell of a lot more believable than the Bible.
(No offense meant Cthulhu...you're my second favorite God next to Loki  )
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