(May 3, 2025 at 7:48 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 6:52 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Are you ever going to answer a single question?

I see, normally in conversations there are implicatures. 

So no then, you are never going to directly answer any questions. 

Quote:And the quote above implies you don't believe deities are impossible. 

It's not implied, I have stated this unequivocally, more than once, sadly you seem unable to grasp that this is not a claim they are impossible, or why. 

Quote:But I understand you're in debate mode and this is your version of saying "I can neither confirm nor deny."

Only you have made such a claim, and I tire of asking you to offer the best of the reasons you claim to have that a deity exists / is possible. Is it a secret? 

Quote:Very well, do we agree that the concept of God is at least conceivable, or do you want to retract that as well?

Already asked, already answered, are you really suggesting that what we can imagine / conceive, demonstrates possibility, let alone existence? You do know that existence reflects objective reality? It's in any dictionary...ah wait I see the problem.

(May 3, 2025 at 7:50 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Please demonstrate it is possible then? 

How does one prove possibility? The best I can do is point out that the idea is conceivable, and not internally incoherent or contradictory. That's why I began by saying the conversation is pointless if you aren't already open to the possibility. That seems to be the bare minimum when exploring any new idea in earnest, don't you think?

(May 3, 2025 at 8:00 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 7:48 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I see, normally in conversations there are implicatures. 

So no then, you are never going to directly answer any questions. 

Quote:And the quote above implies you don't believe deities are impossible. 

It's not implied, I have stated this unequivocally, more than once, sadly you seem unable to grasp that i also don't believe they are possible, 

Quote:But I understand you're in debate mode and this is your version of saying "I can neither confirm nor deny."

Only you have made such a claim, and I tire of asking you to offer the best of the reasons you claim to have that a deity exists / is possible. Is it a secret? 

Quote:Very well, do we agree that the concept of God is at least conceivable, or do you want to retract that as well?

Already asked, already answered, are you really suggesting that what we can imagine / conceive, demonstrates possibility, let alone existence? You do know that existence reflects objective reality? It's in any dictionary...ah wait I see the problem.

(May 3, 2025 at 8:03 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 7:50 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Please demonstrate it is possible then? 

How does one prove possibility? The best I can do is point out that the idea is conceivable, and not internally incoherent or contradictory. That's why I began by saying the conversation is pointless if you aren't already open to the possibility. That seems to be the bare minimum when exploring any new idea in earnest, don't you think?

It sounds like a person trying to negotiate with an empty hand.  Now, if you had a chute, this would all be very easy.  You just yank it out.

(May 3, 2025 at 8:03 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 7:50 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Please demonstrate it is possible then? 

How does one prove possibility? 

You don't know how to demonstrate that what you believe is true, is even possible? Have a little think about what you just said. 

Quote:The best I can do is point out that the idea is conceivable, 

Like unicorns and mermaids then, and all the countless deities humans have imagined that you don't believe exist, again I can only suggest you try and think about your assertion. 

Quote:and not internally incoherent or contradictory. 

 Your assertions have been both incoherent (contradicting word definitions) and contradictory, you claim something is possible because we can conceive it. I can conceive that the earth is flat, and am now starting to wonder if you know what conceive means? 

Quote:That's why I began by saying the conversation is pointless if you aren't already open to the possibility. 

Yes, because you don't seem to understand what possible means, I'd offer the dictionary definition, but alas I tire of handwaving responses. 

Quote:That seems to be the bare minimum when exploring any new idea in earnest, don't you think?

What, presupposing it is possible? Absolutely not, possibility has to be demonstrated, obviously. 

What is your criteria for disbelief? I think this is now an essential answer you must provide.

(May 3, 2025 at 8:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It sounds like a person trying to negotiate with an empty hand. 

Perhaps. But clearly, I've assessed my audience correctly. Look how difficult it is just to have Sheldon grant conceivability. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, short of asking if he can at least imagine it.

(May 3, 2025 at 8:05 pm)Sheldon Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 8:00 pm)Sheldon Wrote: So no then, you are never going to directly answer any questions. 

It's not implied, I have stated this unequivocally, more than once, sadly you seem unable to grasp that i also don't believe they are possible, 
Only you have made such a claim, and I tire of asking you to offer the best of the reasons you claim to have that a deity exists / is possible. Is it a secret? 
Already asked, already answered, are you really suggesting that what we can imagine / conceive, demonstrates possibility, let alone existence? You do know that existence reflects objective reality? It's in any dictionary...ah wait I see the problem.

 "are you really suggesting that what we can imagine / conceive, demonstrates possibility, let alone existence?"

Still no answer, quelle surprise...

(May 3, 2025 at 8:22 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 8:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It sounds like a person trying to negotiate with an empty hand. 

Perhaps. But clearly, I've assessed my audience correctly. Look how difficult it is just to have Sheldon grant conceivability. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, short of asking if he can at least imagine it.

Still lying.  Sheldon immediately granted that gods, like every other silly thing, are conceivable.  It was a batshit question of you to ask in the first place.  We're here talking about gods, they must be conceivable.

(May 3, 2025 at 8:22 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 8:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It sounds like a person trying to negotiate with an empty hand. 

Perhaps. But clearly, I've assessed my audience correctly. Look how difficult it is just to have Sheldon grant conceivability. We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, short of asking if he can at least imagine it.

Insults, nice, are you being coached by Bel?  

Seriously, if you want to preach and flex your apologetics muscle find a group that might care.

(May 3, 2025 at 8:22 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:

(May 3, 2025 at 8:07 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It sounds like a person trying to negotiate with an empty hand. 

I've assessed my audience correctly. 

Nope, though you've more likely made biased and subjective assumptions, that reflect the very poor reasoning your arguments have thus far demonstrated. 

Quote:Look how difficult it is just to have Sheldon grant conceivability. 

A bare faced lie, I just understand, as you clearly do not, that conceiving something, in no way demonstrates it is possible. The every assertion is beyond asinine. 

Quote:We're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, short of asking if he can at least imagine it.

Can you imagine a flat earth? Does this really infer a flat earth is possible to you? This is comedy gold. Almost as funny as when you claimed you had bested the entire scientific world, and falsified species evolution.