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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 3:39 pm
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(May 4, 2025 at 3:35 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 4, 2025 at 3:24 pm)Sheldon Wrote: No thanks, your imaginary scenario...
Surely, you can imagine scenarios, can you not? I choose not to indulge pointless ones.
You came to an atheist forum, and made a claim that you had "many good reasons" for your faith a deity exists, you have failed to support it at all, wouldn't even try, do you imagine you can spin this so that goes away, with imaginary scenarios about elephants?
You are holding an empty bag, and have admitted it, there's nothing else to say.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 3:45 pm
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(May 4, 2025 at 3:39 pm)Sheldon Wrote: I choose not to indulge pointless ones. Surely, you can indulge in it for the sake of conversation, no?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 3:52 pm
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(May 4, 2025 at 3:45 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 4, 2025 at 3:39 pm)Sheldon Wrote: I choose not to indulge pointless ones. Surely, you can indulge in it for the sake of conversation, no? Not if it is pointless, no. If you can't be bothered to offer one word to justify a claim you brought to a thread about such claims, why would I indulge in a pointless conversation, to what end? This thread is about why people believe in the Christian religion and Jesus, not about imaginary scenarios involving elephants.
If I had gone to a forum, and sought out a thread where people were asking why others believed in elephants, and I made claims, then yes, I might be minded to justify those claims, but I wouldn't do that, as I don't care if people disbelieve objective facts.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 3:55 pm
(May 4, 2025 at 3:52 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Not if it is pointless, no.
Good; the point is for you to illustrate what you're asking, namely what objective evidence of possibility entails. I'm glad we can now move forward with the scenario.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 3:58 pm
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Sure, lets. Is your god like your possible beach ball headed elephant? Where folks went out into the world, found something real..chopped it's head off, put a circus toy on it's now-lifeless stump, and are currently and huffily demanding people accept the possibility™ of it being The Real Deal? Are you telling us that your god is comparable, with respect to possibility, to a jackelope....because I think we're veering into that strange land where you and I might agree on some things in principle, if not in practice...
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 4:00 pm
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(May 4, 2025 at 3:55 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 4, 2025 at 3:52 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Not if it is pointless, no.
Good; the point is for you to illustrate what you're asking, namely what objective evidence of possibility entails. I'm glad we can now move forward with the scenario. I have removed a duplicate post, posted accidentally.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2025 at 4:04 pm by Sheldon.)
(May 4, 2025 at 3:55 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 4, 2025 at 3:52 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Not if it is pointless, no.
Good; the point is for you to illustrate what you're asking, namely what objective evidence of possibility entails. I'm glad we can now move forward with the scenario. I don't need to illustrate it with pointless scenarios, it is perfectly clear what threshold I set, and why, and no one is obliged to share my standard for personal credulity. We will not be moving forward with your scenario, as it is pointless, and has no relevance to this thread or your claim, that you have now admitted you can't offer any objective evidence to support.
The answer to the thread title, would likely differ among different believers, but as yet not one of them has cited any objective evidence as justification, and you have admitted you have none unless one presupposes a deity is possible, which I am not prepared to do, as I find that notion absurd, since I could believe literally anything was possible doing that.
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 4:06 pm
(May 4, 2025 at 4:00 pm)Sheldon Wrote: We will not be moving forward with your scenario, as it is pointless, and has no relevance to this thread or your claim, that have now admitted you can't offer any objective evidence to support.
Okay then come up with your own scenario bro. As long as you illustrate what you mean by objective evidence of possibility. Surely, you know what you're asking and can give an example?
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 4:09 pm
As if this hasn't already been presented to you in the thread, and recently. Got anything like that for god? Let's start with a place. Where was god before god created the universe?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 4, 2025 at 4:18 pm
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(May 4, 2025 at 4:06 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (May 4, 2025 at 4:00 pm)Sheldon Wrote: We will not be moving forward with your scenario, as it is pointless, and has no relevance to this thread or your claim, that have now admitted you can't offer any objective evidence to support.
Okay then come up with your own scenario bro. As long as you illustrate what you mean by objective evidence of possibility. Surely, you know what you're asking and can give an example? You already said you'd not be offering anything, of any standard, you made the excuse that it was because we would not presuppose without evidence that a deity is possible.
It was your claim you had "many good reasons" for your faith a deity exists. I cut you the maximum amount of latitude, by asking you to offer what you considered the best one, and you can't or won't, in the context of this thread, you have made it perfectly clear you don't want to answer the thread question.
Why would I create imaginary scenarios to help you evidence your claim? You could just offer the best reason you have, and people either will or will not find it compelling, if you can't be bothered to do that, then you are done, at least as far as this thread is concerned.
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