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Stupid things religious people say
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You should pray for Howard Stern because he has been saying words that our religion forbids on the radio, he has been defending trans people instead of threatening them, he has been shielding himself from COVID instead of trusting that Jesus will protect him - the man clearly has problems.

Quote:Why Christians Should Pray for Howard Stern

Over the years, radio stations and networks who have employed and aired the radio deejay have been fined by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for his repeated violations of broadcast decency standards. They’ve even decried his foul-mouthed antics, and yet at the same time exploited it for promotional purposes.

During his tenure on WNBC radio in New York, a station that also employed Don Imus, the vulgar pair were advertised with the slogan, “If we weren’t so bad, we wouldn’t be so good.”

Hypocrisy has long been alive and well. Wrote William Shakespeare, “God has given you one face, and you make yourself another.”

In recent years, he’s been accused of going “woke” in the wake of several politically charged outbursts, including his support for the sexually confused Dylan Mulvaney of Bud Light infamy.

A self-described germaphobe, Stern was known to isolate himself for years following the COVID-19 pandemic.

Few men in media have been viler and cruder for so many years than Howard Stern. Some have even credited him with helping to normalize the abnormal. That’s the progressive nature of filth. What shocks one generation rarely surprises the next.

Whether he renews a contract or retires, it would be good to pray for Howard Stern. His efforts have done much to harm and pollute America’s airwaves and fill people’s minds with unspeakable trash. It’s impossible to know what he believes these days – or in whom he might be placing his hope and trust.

One of the many incredible aspects of Christianity is that God has made clear He will meet anyone anywhere regardless of anything they’ve done if they’re repentant and seek a relationship with Him.

Nobody this side of eternity is irredeemable, including Howard Stern.

https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.co...y-for-him/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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(August 12, 2025 at 12:48 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Pastor reports possible miracle in Naples after blessed oil jar mysteriously refills

A July celebration honoring St. Charbel Makhlouf at a parish in Naples, Italy, has drawn attention after worshippers reported what they believe may be a miraculous sign.

The reported event took place at St. Ferdinand Church July 24, where hundreds gathered for Mass in honor of the saint.

Following the liturgy, pastor Msgr. Pasquale Silvestri began anointing parishioners with blessed oil sent from the Maronite Curia in Rome for the occasion. As he moved down the long line of the sick, he noticed the jar of oil was nearly gone.

By the time he reached the final person, Msgr. Silvestri believed the last drops had been used. However, when placing the jar back in its case, he discovered it was once again full and noticeably heavier.

“I couldn’t believe what I was seeing,” he said, according to RVA.

The news was met with applause from those present. Msgr. Silvestri who remarked that “there was a production of matter; this is a very serious thing,” and noted that, following canon law, he immediately contacted the postulator for St. Charbel.

The following day, a group of Lebanese visitors came to the church and asked to smell the oil. They reported a strong cedar fragrance, a scent closely tied to Lebanon and deeply symbolic in St. Charbel’s life and heritage.

The jar of oil is now secured for examination by Church authorities, who will determine whether the incident meets the Church’s criteria for a miracle.

https://catholicvote.org/pastor-reports-...y-refills/

I hope you don't mind me asking, but I was wondering what your thoughts were on this particular claim? I'm asking because lately I've been experiencing a lot of depression, after a recent near-death operation on my head, and sadly its been bringing up a lot of religious irrational thoughts/baggage in me which usually, when my mind is clearer, doesn't affect me. Thankfully I'm not irrational enough yet not to dismiss the clearly silly claims of witchcraft and suchlike that you often show, but this one just feels a bit more like it will mess with my depression.

I think I would dismiss this with the thought of two possible explanations if it happened as claimed, 1) that it is a psychological explanation, perhaps similar to the sorts of mistakes we can often make when we're on 'auto-pilot' with any task, in this case a guy intending to pour out this oil in some way, or 2) that someone else could have seen it was empty and replaced/refilled it and then for whatever reason, possibly embarrassment or whatever, not admitted to that when it became a headline press-story. That's all that comes to mind really as possibilities to me, but I was wondering if you had any more? Usually I wouldn't even bother trying to explicitly address some claim like this, happy enough with the thinking that psychology/behaviour of people is always a more likely explanation, hundred-fold, than "magic", but as I said I'm just feeling a lot more irrational these days and nights in these terrifying depressions I keep falling into recently. Feel free to ignore if you too don't think it's worth explicitly addressing beyond a basic Occam's Razor finding in favour of psychology etc. I was just curious if I was missing anything, cos I don't feel that confident in my thinking ability at the moment, and it's at times like these that the more gnostic-like atheists around here give me much more confidence, which I'm very grateful for.
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I hope you get better, and I'm sorry to hear about your illness.

Since priests aren't particularly intelligent, I believe he may have had more oil than he realized.

Or he was lying for Jesus. The Catholic Church has a tradition of lying about self-fulfilling oils. Consider the holy oil used to anoint French kings. It is said to have been transported from Heaven to France by a pigeon on its beak, and it then inexplicably multiplied for centuries, enabling clergy to anoint kings.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Least possible miracle syndrome. Screw the kids dying of starvation, I've got oil jars to top up!
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(Yesterday at 12:38 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I hope you get better, and I'm sorry to hear about your illness.

Since priests aren't particularly intelligent, I believe he may have had more oil than he realized.

Or he was lying for Jesus. The Catholic Church has a tradition of lying about self-fulfilling oils. Consider the holy oil used to anoint French kings. It is said to have been transported from Heaven to France by a pigeon on its beak, and it then inexplicably multiplied for centuries, enabling clergy to anoint kings.

Thank you Smile and thanks for your thoughts on the claim... they help Smile I'm getting there slowly, I'm being told, physically at least. But mentally this depression is really hurting me, and so far it's mainly been Buddhist-like thoughts that gets me out of it, usually accidentally; eg I end a train of thought and my focus jumps to my breath and suddenly it becomes clear, in a Buddhist like way, how pointless all of that thinking had been, and also how avoidable, with Buddhist-like meditation. Basically I wish I could get into the state where I'm not imaging what it's like be in hell for instance, when I don't even believe in it, but that's where my depression takes me most nights at the moment and it's terrifying. But rationally speaking I'd guess that you guys would say that you shouldn't imagine situations just because they're unfalsifiable, but rather only if they are probable... ie you believe them to be true? In a clear state of mind that's what I'd think I think, but I just wish I could get that into my depressed state of mind as well.
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Just remember, if you find yourself imagining what it's like to be in hell, it's still not as bad as it could be. Yet.

I guess it takes a cynical mind to find comfort in that, but it gets me everytime. All of my problems stacked on top of each other don't even make it to somebody else's mediocre day.
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(Yesterday at 7:12 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Just remember, if you find yourself imagining what it's like to be in hell, it's still not as bad as it could be.  Yet.

I guess it takes a cynical mind to find comfort in that, but it gets me everytime.  All of my problems stacked on top of each other don't even make it to somebody else's mediocre day.

I'm really sorry, but I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here, could you rephrase? If you just mean that being in a real hell would be worse than just imagining it, then sure I get that, I guess, but it is still traumatic to me, I think anyway, because this head injury came out of nowhere, with no clear cause known or offered, and with them saying I only had a 33% chance of surviving the surgery they gave me... basically I came out feeling much weaker and more fragile both physically and mentally, and with the real fear of it happening again... and I think that is what is driving the depression I'm in now, this total feeling of powerlessness... leading to these highly emotional and irrational sometimes states of mind. I know you're trying to help me, and really appreciate it, and hope you know that you'll always be my hero, but I am sorry to say I do sometimes have trouble understanding you, as I think you probably already know.
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Sorry about all that, guys. I didn't mean to derail this thread, if I did. Please just ignore me and if I want to talk about it more in the future, I'll try and do it in a more appropriate place Smile
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"Only Christians can be Americans, and those who are not Christians should hide their religion."

Quote:We should expect anyone who wishes to be a citizen of the land of the free to adopt our way of life.

In Sugar Land, Texas, a giant statue depicting the monkey-faced Hindu deity, Hanuman, was erected in August 2024. Officially titled Statue of Union, many Texans and Americans elsewhere have found this monument to be an aberration. For some it is the aesthetic unsightliness. For others it is a religious aversion to having a pagan idol be raised to such heights.

America requires Americans. No, we don’t all need to look and sound identical, but we do need to be specific about what makes an American an American. American culture, with its Christian civil religion, is required to maintain this union of states and their self-governing peoples. You cannot take people from any other civic, commercial, or cultural context, drop them within American borders, and expect that you will get the same results as those who are fully assimilated to our country’s historic way of life.

The Sugar Land statue, or murti, along with other religious displays such as celebrations of Diwali, are not simple public practices of faith: they are cultural statements meant to pacify fears among Hindus that their native culture and its religion will be lost to America’s material excesses and its Christian religion. Large numbers of Hindu Indians living in proximity to each other enable them to speak their native language, eat their traditional foods, and practice their religion.

In essence, Indian culture is kept intact, and Indians remain insulated from and unassimilated to American culture. Many do not become American, but remain Indians who just happen to live in America.

English is unwritten and unspoken in increasing numbers of our cities and towns, with residents unable to speak our nation’s language and being offered the choice to vote for a foreign-born Marxist in New York City. Dueling demonstrations carrying Palestinian and Israeli flags have become almost commonplace in our streets, just as residents of California wave Mexican flags in protest of their forthcoming deportations. Somalis in Minnesota celebrate their native country’s independence day en masse together with local officials—then vote them out in favor of alternatives they consider their own.

[Funny how he doesn't complain about people who wave Nazi flags and Confederate Battle Flags.]

When thinking of small ethno-religious minorities in America like Hassidic Jews (180,000) or the Amish (395,000) who have historically kept mostly to themselves, this point may seem trite. But it is consequential when the sheer number of Hindus—and the potential for many, many more—is truly understood.

Though I have no flat objection to the arrival of specific individuals from elsewhere in the world who wish to become unhyphenated Americans in order to better themselves and the United States, the construction of a foreign idol by a rapidly expanding minority population of newcomers underscores the loss of what used to be a requirement to live in America: assimilation into its culture, of which its civil religion—Christianity—is a cornerstone.

The present-day case of Sugar Land, Texas, where a towering Hindu idol has been erected, should be unacceptable to Americans (especially Christians), and doubly so to those of Indian heritage who see this land as their own and this people as their people.

Pluralism is not an end in itself. It is the fruit of a Christian order that’s confident enough to tolerate minority views, because it assumes its own cultural hegemony. If that majority is disregarded and that confidence eroded, pluralism becomes its opposite: a Babel of conflicting gods and moralities, doomed to be abandoned and fall.

The First Amendment guarantees religious liberty. But let’s be honest about our Founders’ intentions: the purpose of that liberty was to protect dissenting Christian sects within a Christian moral framework—not to permit the importation of rival civilizational orders.

The statue itself is a public manifestation of an under-examined reality: that unassimilated cultures exist in America. Beyond that, it is a declaration of intent to remain unassimilated. For the idol to be excused and dismissed shows a resignation of this reality and a toleration for this intention—and it is this nihilism that is unprecedented in our history and fundamentally un-American, not the protestations of I or anyone who would refuse to bow to it.

https://americanmind.org/features/assimi...scontents/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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