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Islam true religion?
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 (February 5, 2012 at 12:47 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: I just watched a 12 minute video for 30 seconds of brief mention. He did not refute AronRa, he refuted a statement that he made, just one. Furthermore the entirety of the video held nothing useful outside of him besting the dead horse of Noahs flood not being in the quran.Even though I'm leaving today, I just want to add something before I go. Do you still regard AronRa as reliable? I don't... 
You're like fucking James Brown: You keep talking about leaving but you never do.
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 (February 5, 2012 at 9:27 am)Zakir_250 Wrote:(February 5, 2012 at 12:47 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: I just watched a 12 minute video for 30 seconds of brief mention. He did not refute AronRa, he refuted a statement that he made, just one. Furthermore the entirety of the video held nothing useful outside of him besting the dead horse of Noahs flood not being in the quran.Even though I'm leaving today, I just want to add something before I go. Do you still regard AronRa as reliable? I don't... About as reliable as anyone else. AronRa doesn't get his ass handed to him on a regular basis while still maintaining a condescending demeanor, such as that held by every Muslim authority I have ever watched. Thanks for the + 1 :">
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"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon (February 5, 2012 at 10:11 am)SleepingDemon Wrote:Okay. Be honest but what do you think of Muslim apologetics?(February 5, 2012 at 9:27 am)Zakir_250 Wrote:(February 5, 2012 at 12:47 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: I just watched a 12 minute video for 30 seconds of brief mention. He did not refute AronRa, he refuted a statement that he made, just one. Furthermore the entirety of the video held nothing useful outside of him besting the dead horse of Noahs flood not being in the quran.Even though I'm leaving today, I just want to add something before I go. Do you still regard AronRa as reliable? I don't...  (February 5, 2012 at 9:27 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Do you still regard AronRa as reliable? I don't... Yes I do, because as opposed to the people you have cited so far, he has on several occasions revisited a topic and and corrected any factual errors he has made in his previous videos. This method of self correction makes AronRa much more reliable in terms of fact gathering than one person just interpreting what some book says and elbowing it in to conform with modern day findings.
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(February 5, 2012 at 10:21 am)leo-rcc Wrote:I haven't seen much of him but I must say he was defeated in a debate against Hamza and Adnan Rashid. So far I'm not impressed. He has already been beaten and refuted in the video I just showed.(February 5, 2012 at 9:27 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: Do you still regard AronRa as reliable? I don't... 
Before you go perhaps you would like to explain why you and your modern Islamic apologists think your interpretation of the flood account in the Quran as a local event is better than that of Abd Allah ibn Abbas who considered it a global event? After all he was your prophet’s own cousin and is revered among Muslims as an expert in Tafsir and an authority on Islamic Sunnah.
Quote:According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Ibn Isahq- al-Hassan b. Dinar- Ali b. Zayd- Yusuf b. Mihran- Ibn Abbas: I [Yusuf b. Mihran] heard him [Ibn Abbas] say: ... The water increased wildly, and, as is assumed by the people of the Torah, rose fifteen cubits over the mountain tops. All creatures on the face the earth, every inspirited being or tree, disappeared. No creature remained except Noah and those with him in the boat, as well as Og b. Anak, as is assumed by the people of the Book. The time between God's sending the Flood and the receding of the water in six months and ten nights. (History of al-Tabari [State University of New York Press; Albany, NY 1989], pp. 360-361)
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