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Hamza Tzortzis
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 11:44 am)Koklanas Wrote: A reality does not need to be visible to become reality. Oxygen is not visible but it is a reality....

Oxygen can be measured, just like other things you cannot see. Your lawgiving entity has no such litmus test.

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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:15 pm (This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 12:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Agreed, a dog does what you tell it to when you give it pieces of meat or box it's ears in. Personally, I try to put a little more effort into my motivations.
Oxygen, btw, is perfectly visible. If you have eyes. Sigh.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm
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Quote:If those bad people slips justice, then that is the proof of the need for higher being of the most just whoi is all-knowing

Maybe you do, but I don't Kok. Maybe this is proof enough for you, but not me. My standards of evidence are higher than your own, if what you need is proof of anything other than what you need.

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May be an evidence in the form of losing your loved one would make you change your mind. You would start saying why her? why not me? That "why" question is meant for whom? i suppose for that supreme being.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:23 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: Quote

If those bad people slips justice, then that is the proof of the need for higher being of the most just whoi is all-knowing

Quite

Maybe you do, but I don't Kok. Maybe this is proof enough for you, but not me. My standards of evidence are higher than your own, if what you need is proof of anything other than what you need.


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May be an evidence in the form of losing your loved one would make you change your mind. You would start saying why her? why not me? That "why" question is meant for whom? i suppose for that supreme being.

You're getting back into preaching territory again and, please learn how to quote properly as well!
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: If those bad people slips justice, then that is the proof of the need for higher being of the most just whoi is all-knowing
Can you drop the word need from your posts cause it is beginning to sound alot like preaching again and you already got two mods watching.

As I said before and I will say again and keep saying till you admit morals are not from your brutal sky warlord Allah, you're an amoral animal if you only do good for reward and avoid doing bad cause you fear punishment.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm (This post was last modified: February 13, 2012 at 12:31 pm by Koklanas.)
(February 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 11:44 am)Koklanas Wrote: A reality does not need to be visible to become reality. Oxygen is not visible but it is a reality....

Oxygen can be measured, just like other things you cannot see. Your lawgiving entity has no such litmus test.

One can feel the presence of the supreme being if one comes closer to Him. no litmus test needed, just do good deeds, sooner or later He will make his present felt by giving those who deserve the unexpected mysterious reward. ( mod - I hope this does not sound like preaching )
(February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm)Phil Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: If those bad people slips justice, then that is the proof of the need for higher being of the most just whoi is all-knowing
Can you drop the word need from your posts cause it is beginning to sound alot like preaching again and you already got two mods watching.

As I said before and I will say again and keep saying till you admit morals are not from your brutal sky warlord Allah, you're an amoral animal if you only do good for reward and avoid doing bad cause you fear punishment.

what is the suitable word then?, seriously my english is not good.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm)Koklanas Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 11:44 am)Koklanas Wrote: A reality does not need to be visible to become reality. Oxygen is not visible but it is a reality....

Oxygen can be measured, just like other things you cannot see. Your lawgiving entity has no such litmus test.

One can feel the presence of the supreme being if one comes closer to Him. no litmus test needed, just do good deeds, sooner or later He will make his present felt by giving those who deserve the unexpected mysterious reward. ( mod - I hope this does not sound like preaching )

Yes it does! My litmus test for preaching is, if it would sound equally as valid if you were standing on a pulpit talking to a crowd in the hope of getting your message across then it is probably preaching.

Quote:preach (prch)

To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.
To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with:
To deliver (a sermon).

To deliver a sermon.
To give religious or moral instruction, especially in a tedious manner.

The bolded sections are what you are doing!!
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm)Koklanas Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm)leo-rcc Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 11:44 am)Koklanas Wrote: A reality does not need to be visible to become reality. Oxygen is not visible but it is a reality....

Oxygen can be measured, just like other things you cannot see. Your lawgiving entity has no such litmus test.

One can feel the presence of the supreme being if one comes closer to Him. no litmus test needed, just do good deeds, sooner or later He will make his present felt by giving those who deserve the unexpected mysterious reward. ( mod - I hope this does not sound like preaching )
(February 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm)Phil Wrote:
(February 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm)Koklanas Wrote: If those bad people slips justice, then that is the proof of the need for higher being of the most just whoi is all-knowing
Can you drop the word need from your posts cause it is beginning to sound alot like preaching again and you already got two mods watching.

As I said before and I will say again and keep saying till you admit morals are not from your brutal sky warlord Allah, you're an amoral animal if you only do good for reward and avoid doing bad cause you fear punishment.

what is the suitable word then?, seriously my english is not good.

Not telling us we "need" anything. Do you see us telling you that you need atheism?

As I said before and I will say again and keep saying till you admit morals are not from your brutal sky warlord Allah, you're an amoral animal if you only do good for reward and avoid doing bad cause you fear punishment.
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:39 pm
(February 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm)Koklanas Wrote: no litmus test needed, just do good deeds, sooner or later He will make his present felt by giving those who deserve the unexpected mysterious reward.

Well, I've been doing good deeds for a long time and haven't heard from allah, so your god must have me penciled in for "later", rather than "sooner". Again, it sounds like I don't need to worry about your god at all. I'm going to do good things regardless. So, I'll see you in paradise brother.

Quote:what is the suitable word then?, seriously my english is not good.

You've been told what the suitable words are, multiple times. Replace "There needs to be" with "I want there to be". That's what you're expressing.

I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Hamza Tzortzis
February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm
You there! Rhythmness! When you buy new computer? Tiger
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