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RE: Some stuff in Islam that i don't get
March 13, 2012 at 4:40 am
i can assure you that i read tafseers(they are like the meanings and what is meant by the verses) ... in "Al-Dur al manthuur" and "Tafseer al-jalalain": it states a similar meaning to what i said.
it's a pity that i don't have an English version... For (5:82):
You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah ; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.
"Al-Dur al manthuur" opens with a hadith from the prophet that says: "Every time a Jew is alone with a Muslim , the Jew kills the muslim" in other hadiths "thinks of killing the muslim".
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RE: Some stuff in Islam that i don't get
March 13, 2012 at 4:47 am
I am generalising again but my opinion is that any THINKING person is opposed to ANYTHING those books put out. The reason being is that they are out dated and have NO RELEVANCE in a pluralistic society the the world is trying to become.
Quite frankly they are only good as fire fodder and hold no interest other than to those of anthropological and archaeological interests. They are certainly no way to live you life by in the world today.
As for your last statement .... I would offer that as evidence that the book you are quoting is of no value as it incites socio-economic-religious hatred.
I see no value in ANY religion in this world today.
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RE: Some stuff in Islam that i don't get
March 13, 2012 at 4:57 am
Please understand Kichigai that I'm trying to give Muslims evidence from their own sources that that Islam is "Anti-Moralistic" ... I'm not stating that i believe in that stuff, I'm saying that the meaning of the verse is as it seems there's no hidden message around it.
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RE: Some stuff in Islam that i don't get
March 13, 2012 at 9:20 am
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2012 at 9:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Glad to see you in the thread Rayaan, sometimes it gets very repetitive talking about Islam without a muslim present. So, what transgressions do you think the verse sharp is referring to is mentioning? Has Sharp mis-translated the prophet? If not, do you have suspicions of jews when you are alone in a room with them? If so, what did the prophet actually say, or mean to say?
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RE: Some stuff in Islam that i don't get
March 14, 2012 at 3:05 am
Hi Rayaan... I'm glad that you replied :-)
The Quraan is supposed to be a universal book and the word of God in the Muslim point of view... That said, if the verses truly meant some of the Jews, then it is supposed to start with the arabic word "Mina(من)" or among in English as in several verses (i.e: 9:97 and 2:8), but if the Quraan didn't mean all Jews then the word of "God" isn't that accurate for the people to be taken seriously especially in this date and time... certain few shouldn't spoil the whole bunch especially in "God's" point of view.
You know what actions speak louder than words... speaking a few honeyed words to this group and that , then stabbing them from behind is just how politics work. I'm talking about the execution of 600-900 armless Jewish men, true the leaders may have broken some treaties but genocide is a "no no" especially for "the prophet of God"... not only that but the women and children were enslaved. These were common practice for Arabs these day, But if Islam approves of such actions... then Islam is truly an out of date religion.
There was also the expulsion of two whole Jewish tribes just for the actions of a few... i'm talking about hundreds if not thousands.
oh and thanks Kichi :-)
