(March 13, 2012 at 12:42 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Im not buying that "im just the messenger" bullshit Mehmet. You clearly are pushing your own beliefs.

Why dont you have the balls to admit this instead of having to hide behind "being a messenger".

BTW - messengers for fascists get their asses beat into the street as well.

You can't even properly take part into a discussion, reverend, as to reply to my posts in a civilized manner, but you come up to me with the very cliché answer of "don't force your beliefs on me".
I'm not forcing anything on you, you're free to agree or disagree with my posts, I'm just saying that these are my own observations on what the problem might be.

I can't make this anymore plain to you. The traditional values of america, are the traditional values of the poor and disenfranchised. They are the ones who created america's traditional values, they are the ones who cling to those values. Cowboys, and good southern baptists, and hard working assembly line personnel were not and are not middle class americans. Not then, not now. These very "american" things you see, and call our traditional values are completely and utterly owned by those on the bottom of the rung. They cling to them so firmly that it becomes easy to exploit them along those lines. Who do you imagine might be doing that? For better or for worse, the middle class in america has always been the midnight riders, the boogeymen, those drafted from the poor by the wealthy to keep check on those and that which the wealthy owned. Now we tried to break free from that shit, and look how the "middle class" has been crushed, perhaps for getting just a little too close to the american dream? Ask the wealthy who's to blame (and the former middle class of america is definitely asking), and they point to the poor, as they have always done. There are alot of us, few of them, the only way to maintain control is to be sure that we are constantly trying to rip out each others throats. Ask the wealthy who's to blame (and the poor are asking) and they blame immigrants.

See how this works? You pick someone lower on the societal rung, and you scapegoat them for whatever ill you perceive at any given time. Does that sound familiar to you Mehm? You'd make a damned fine american, if you asked the right people.

Mehmet...your english reading and retention skills suck.

(March 13, 2012 at 9:03 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: You really ARE reading some depressing shit aren't you GIA?

Not at all. I just walk near any school and listen to my family.

Do you like what we are or not?

Regards
DL

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(March 13, 2012 at 9:35 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Are you watching Fox News?

Being Canadian, no.

What is their take?
What is yours?

Regards
DL

That you're thinking this era's morality is somehow any worse than it was in the past, and that it's ridiculous.

Whereas Fox seems to think we need to move back into the 50's. I'm all for THAT as far as fashion and music is concerned, but fuck it for family values and society.

(March 13, 2012 at 9:42 am)Insanity x Wrote: I find this sexist. lol

Oh wait you have a go at women to. Carry on

Although parents are a big influence peer groups are a much bigger one.

I agree to a point.
But if most parents would not be the hypocritical way that they are, then I think progress would be made.
We are in a sense all peers to each other. It is called society.

If fewer buy skanky clothes for instance, the stores will eventually not buy them or offer them for sale.

Regards
DL

Define skanky.

Quote:If fewer buy skanky clothes for instance,

Are you applying for the job of fashion police?

You're starting to resemble this quote.

Quote:The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.
-- H L Mencken

You do realize that what you call skanky is completely subjective, right? In other words, you would like to implement your own opinion as social policy. I would love to see your statistics on how dressing permiscuously is destroying society.

(March 13, 2012 at 9:43 am)Rhythm Wrote: I must know different men than you know. Ask a guy who is expected to shell out nearly $200 dollars a week (or go to jail) on child support (often by means of a minimum wage job..however the fuck he's supposed to accomplish that) if he isn't responsible for his "illegitimate" children. Fucking "illigetimate" children, as opposed to the "legitimate" ones? They all seem pretty fucking legit when they start breathing, to me. I'm wondering why you assume that it was different at some point in history? That sounds more like a pleasant story we like to tell ourselves, with no relation to reality being required or desired.

At the end of the day, it's hard to think of a better thing to wish for your children than happiness. That's just my opinion. Hehehe, Tib, you should have some kids. I've got a couple I might be willing to bargain off....

My last encounter with a deadbeat dad was a young man who was on the dole and spent his time visiting his 8 illegitimate children.
He is an extreme case of course but one of way too many.

Way to raise your boys dads.

Then again, 8 skanky women to 1 one skanky man may be a great average for men.

Regards
DL