Quote:Maybe we should do something about it.

Who is 'we' and what did you have in mind,exactly?

"We" would be people who didn't really realise that the UK is technically a theocracy, and think that maybe people should be aware of it. What could we "do"? I dunno.

(March 11, 2012 at 3:48 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: Is it? Can't say I noticed really.

Pay more attention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lords_Spiritual

Not to mention, our head of state thinks she has a god given right to rule over us, and as such everyone else in her quasi-fascist lineage becomes the unelected and unopposed head of state and the church at the same time.

They are nothing more than figureheads in reality, surely? I hold my hands up and admit I never looked into it deeply. Does the Royal Family have any real power?

(March 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: "We" would be people who didn't really realise that the UK is technically a theocracy, and think that maybe people should be aware of it. What could we "do"? I dunno.

The UK is theocracy only in that it that it has an official state religion of which a powerless monarch is titular,but not defacto,head.

The UK is not a theocracy in that there is freedom of worship,which is not usually the case in a theocratic state.

I really can't see that there is a problem. It's also moot; nothing can or will be done while secularists are in the minority without political power.

PLUS of course I live in Australia so could not give a flying Dumbo* about the UK



*HRH Charles, alluding to his ears and intellect.

(March 11, 2012 at 6:55 pm)padraic Wrote: The UK is theocracy only in that it that it has an official state religion of which a powerless monarch is titular,but not defacto,head.

The UK is not a theocracy in that there is freedom of worship,which is not usually the case in a theocratic state.

I really can't see that there is a problem. It's also moot; nothing can or will be done while secularists are in the minority without political power.

You're incorrect on two counts:

The British Monarchy is not powerless. Among many other forms of power, the Queen still has the theoretical right to appoint a Prime Minister if required. http://www.royal.gov.uk/monarchuk/queena...nment.aspx

There are theocratic nations in existence that allow citizens "freedom of worship." Vatican City (Roman Catholic Theocracy) is a good example of such.

Quote:Among many other forms forms of power, the Queen still has the theoretical right to appoint a Prime Minister if require

Do you not understand the distinction between the words 'titular' (in name) and 'de facto'? (in fact/practice)

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Quote:There are theocratic nations in existence that allow citizens "freedom of worship." Vatican City (Roman Catholic Theocracy) is a good example of such.

I said "not usually the case in a theocratic state'",which is true.

PLUS, The Vatican HAS NO CITIZENS,only residents. Each resident (including the Pope) retains their original citizenship only. The Vatican is a defacto state because many(not all) countries recognise it as such due to cynical and meaningless Lateran Treaty of 1928 with Mussolini. TECHNICALLY (under international law) the Vatican is NOT a state. It meets NONE of the criteria for statehood, beginning with territory and citizens.

Reference: The 'statehood' of The Vatican is explored in depth 'The Case Of The Pope" by Geoffrey Roberston QC, renowned juror and expert in international law.

You speak ex rectum..

(March 12, 2012 at 7:11 am)padraic Wrote: You speak ex rectum..

And you're an aggressive, discourteous ignoramus. Judging from all of the replies that you have made thus far, you come across an arrogant idiot who takes pleasure from endeavouring to annoy people. I strongly suggest that we avoid each other on this discussion forum.

I expect a significant shift when the 2011 census results come out, my money is on around 10% in favour of 'no religion' and probably a rise in the muslim figure.

And if you're too impatient to wait for the census results, just ask Lulzsec as they claim to have stolen it last year http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/ne...ensus.html

(this is my first post on this forum)

Seriously OP Logic,....

I read the topic title "The Immense Power of Christianity" ... and all you come up with is:
• Gregorian / Western Calendar
• Christmas
• Easter Holidays
• Typical Weddings
• Typical Funerals
• Egocentric and self-righteous (borderline narcissistic) attitudes.

Is that the most power of the Catholic church in england? ... If so ... Hell I go live there right now.
Xmas is an adaptation from a heathen old days celebration. Funerals? You know that ppl have that odity that they die from time to time... you know?

And what is wrong with weddings? Ppl wed in every culture around the world. Specify the inmense power of the church on this.

Where do you see the inmensepower of the church of england or the catholic church in all this? Because from what ive read so far the only impact your post made for me personal,... was the cool title.

P.S.
Not to mention that the calendar has a scientific background too. Many scientific ppl worked on its perfection. Who gives a fck these days where it came from? Are you proposing we should go and use a new calendar?