(March 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Aren’t you over generalizing a bit. Most Christians, like Roman Catholics, accept in the big-bang and evolution. As far as I know only Evangelicals get all twisted up over these issues.

They aren't True Christians. You can't be a Christian and accept evolution any more than you can pick and choose which parts of God's Word is really God's Word.

Genesis tells us about geographical locations like rivers.

Quote:Gen 2:10-14 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

You don't describe rivers and other specific geographic locations over something that is just metaphor. Neither do you trace ancestory back to a fictional character.

Quote:Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Paul who helped found the early Christian Church testified that Adam was a literal person.

Quote:1 Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Moses also was told that the six days were literal six days.

Quote:Ex 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Quote:Neither do you trace ancestory back to a fictional character.

(March 7, 2012 at 3:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I believe the entire Bible is true, there are prophesies that are not yet completely understood, that does not make them any less true.This fundy is proud to be a christian, even though it came to me as an undeserving person.

(March 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: I saw the interview and the mother was happy that her children did not lose their lives and if the cost was her legs she was OK with that, this is love that is beyond understanding.

Sure, maybe you should address what has been said as it applies to you as well, being a "fundie". Pray for that undebateably deserving woman's legs to regenerate spontaneously, and if you return with null results then your God is practically worthless. Oh, and it also proves prayer has no effect. As a matter of fact, find one amputee who has grown back limbs- you can't.

What I find really odd is that people like you would have called it a miracle had this woman and all but one child died in whatever accident. You might have said that God spared that one child, or some such poppycock (excuse the language). But when it comes to something that is falsifiable, your God is powerless and prefers to sulk in the shadows of faith instead of yielding practical results in the real world.

The problem is brainwashing from birth and not being allowed to question about the scriptures, nor challenge them.
I read recently the New International Bible. It is a more accurate translation than other versions and has been written by scholars world wide.
I was amazed to find in one part that Jesus had travelled north and was saying he was the son of God. A woman approached him and said..''but you are a Greek. It is said that the son of God comes from Galilee' There was a Greek community in Judea in those days. Greeks also were in Egypt/Jordan/Iraq.
I then began to wonder if the scriptures were mainly Greek mythology so brushed up on my teachings from school days.
Zeus had three sons with earthling virgins. One son of a god and an earthling was Mithra,who died and rose again on the third day.
I then came to believe that Jesus had been 'invented' by the Greeks as they hadn't before 'invented' a son for this relatively new invisible God.
King Akenaten of Egypt, decided that because the sun and moon weren't doing as they were asked; he said there must be an invisible God up there so we must pray to him. And so God was 'created'. This concept was taken to Israel by Moses and so religion began, when all it is really is mythology.

(March 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: You really need to come to a better understanding of what scripture says. The verse you gave is about salvation, not about getting worldly desires. I saw the interview and the mother was happy that her children did not lose their lives and if the cost was her legs she was OK with that, this is love that is beyond understanding.

Right on Godschild. It's good to see another devout man of God on this site. They cannot understand the love of God because they have not accepted Jesus into their hearts. Many of the members of this forum misinterpret the Bible. Some things are admittedly hard to understand but if you give God a chance he will show you the peace and understanding you desire. God is perfect love and He wants more than anything to bring the wayward to Him through His only son, Jesus Christ.

If the woman's legs were sacrificed they were sacrificed in love just as God sacrificed himself for all of us.

Quote:Right on Godschild. It's good to see another devout man of God on this site.

Relax.... we have more than just you two assholes.

(March 7, 2012 at 2:50 pm)Voltair Wrote: A mother being willing to sacrifice her legs for her child is not love that goes beyond understanding. It is not uncommon for people to be willing to sacrifice great things for those people that they love. I am not saying she did not sacrifice but it is not so great as to escape understanding. It is also a generally natural instinct, some people don't have it I suppose, to protect ones child even at the cost of your own life. I have not studied Neurobiology enough but I am willing to toss the dice here and say that its been studied out.

Then please give us an understanding of this love if it's so easy to see.

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(March 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm)average Wrote: The problem is brainwashing from birth and not being allowed to question about the scriptures, nor challenge them.
I read recently the New International Bible. It is a more accurate translation than other versions and has been written by scholars world wide.
I was amazed to find in one part that Jesus had travelled north and was saying he was the son of God. A woman approached him and said..''but you are a Greek. It is said that the son of God comes from Galilee' There was a Greek community in Judea in those days. Greeks also were in Egypt/Jordan/Iraq.
I then began to wonder if the scriptures were mainly Greek mythology so brushed up on my teachings from school days.
Zeus had three sons with earthling virgins. One son of a god and an earthling was Mithra,who died and rose again on the third day.
I then came to believe that Jesus had been 'invented' by the Greeks as they hadn't before 'invented' a son for this relatively new invisible God.
King Akenaten of Egypt, decided that because the sun and moon weren't doing as they were asked; he said there must be an invisible God up there so we must pray to him. And so God was 'created'. This concept was taken to Israel by Moses and so religion began, when all it is really is mythology.

You should read the entire New International Bible, then you would see there is no resemblance to Greek mythology. The story of Moses alone should show you that, but read the whole Bible anyway.

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(March 7, 2012 at 11:52 pm)Skepsis Wrote:

(March 7, 2012 at 3:17 am)Godschild Wrote: I believe the entire Bible is true, there are prophesies that are not yet completely understood, that does not make them any less true.This fundy is proud to be a christian, even though it came to me as an undeserving person.

(March 7, 2012 at 2:20 pm)Godschild Wrote: I saw the interview and the mother was happy that her children did not lose their lives and if the cost was her legs she was OK with that, this is love that is beyond understanding.

Sure, maybe you should address what has been said as it applies to you as well, being a "fundie". Pray for that undebateably deserving woman's legs to regenerate spontaneously, and if you return with null results then your God is practically worthless. Oh, and it also proves prayer has no effect. As a matter of fact, find one amputee who has grown back limbs- you can't.

What I find really odd is that people like you would have called it a miracle had this woman and all but one child died in whatever accident. You might have said that God spared that one child, or some such poppycock (excuse the language). But when it comes to something that is falsifiable, your God is powerless and prefers to sulk in the shadows of faith instead of yielding practical results in the real world.

Falsify Him if you can, many have tried all have failed. You can no more prove He does not exist than I can prove He does exist. You are right about one thing, in a storm like that anyone that survives is part of a miracle. Only those who refuse to see God's work would call Him powerless.

The "story" of Moses...exactly, just that, a story. If there weren't better stories out there I might read the bible again out of desperation. Thankfully, there are.

We do not have to falsify shit. You have no evidence for your god. There is nothing to debate.


If you find some evidence let me know and I'll rip it to shreds for you.

Godschild. The story of Moses holding the sea back is another myth. There are no vowels in Aramaic nor Hebrew, therefore in the scriptures the Red sea would be wriiten as....rd s. This has been mistranslated and should be Reed Sea. [which would still be written as rd s] The Reed Sea is at the edge of the Mediterranean sea at the curve where Egypt meets Israel.
The volcano at Mt Etna had exploded thus causing a Tsunami. This in turn caused the sea to withdraw. That's when Moses and his people crossed. As the sea came back in with avengeance, it drowned all the warriors and covered their chariots. The flames in the sky, supposedly God's anger was the flames from the volcano but because of the curve of the earth, only those flames could be seen from the Reed Sea and not the volcano. There has been found lots of larva in the area.
There is a scientific explanation for stories in the bible.
Another problem I have believing is when God supposedly said...'I will send Satan to the four corners of the earth.'
Well, there aren't four corners, its a sphere and if God created/designed the universe he would know that and would have said, 'I will send Satan round the earth. People of those times believed the earth was flat, as a carpet and that the mountains were positioned to weigh it down so that it wouldn't float away.
Greek mythology....Jesus only spoke in parables. If you study them, it's very much like Greek philosophy to me.
I have read the New International Bible a couple of times. I find the old testament just full of violence. They smite them and we smite them etc.
Plus when Moses and his people had reached the desert and out of Egypt. The Lord supposedly went to Moses' tent daily. On one visit, he instructed that any families with teenagers had to pay shekkles and all the monies had to go to Aaron Moses' brother...nice eh? I do think that the reference to the Lord in this story should have read warlord.
If you'd study yourself instead of believing everything as read, you'd come to realise how silly a lot of the scriptures are.
BTW, I was a practicing Christian until my 40s, when it began to dawn on me that the whole subject is a load of fairy tales/parables and designed to keep the peasants of that time under control. Indeed control/power/wealth are still the essence of it today. A good example as to how hypocritical religion is, is when it was revealed that the Vatican City managed their own a birth control pill factory running at great profit!!!!