now my friend I have been there and done that.I was a Pentecostal evangelist and am sorry to tell you that what you experienced is a form of self delusion.

(October 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm)chatpilot Wrote: ManofGOD let me ask you a question.So, since we don't know the origins of life through scientific discovery you think we are to just give up and accept the version written down by some leader of a nomadic tribe that claims to have had a revelation from God about 6 to 10,000 years ago?That makes as much sense as jumping off a plane without a parachute.Also,remember that a revelation is only a revelation to the one who claims to have received it and hearsay to all the rest.

I have had a revelation from GOD and more. It takes very little to go from atheist to believer. I do not believe that science should be neglected, because of a belief in GOD. The GOD of creation is a GOD of order and he loves logic, reason and truth.

(October 23, 2008 at 1:54 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm)chatpilot Wrote: ManofGOD let me ask you a question.So, since we don't know the origins of life through scientific discovery you think we are to just give up and accept the version written down by some leader of a nomadic tribe that claims to have had a revelation from God about 6 to 10,000 years ago?That makes as much sense as jumping off a plane without a parachute.Also,remember that a revelation is only a revelation to the one who claims to have received it and hearsay to all the rest.

I have had a revelation from GOD and more. It takes very little to go from atheist to believer. I do not believe that science should be neglected, because of a belief in GOD. The GOD of creation is a GOD of order and he loves logic, reason and truth.

I'd almost go as far as saying that this seems like you're pretending to believe this, - for a joke. It somewhat seems like it IMO.
Oh and btw, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as plausible as any other 'supernatural' God.
Ramen.
Oh, and one more thing, whether you're really serious or not: If the soul=conscious mind and the heart=unconscious mind...then whats supernatural about that? What's supernatural about the soul and the spirit if they're merely material parts of the mind that can be explained neurologically etc.
P.S: You're surprisingly fun to debate with, it seems as though something funny's going on.
Ramen.

(October 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm)chatpilot Wrote: now my friend I have been there and done that.I was a Pentecostal evangelist and am sorry to tell you that what you experienced is a form of self delusion.

How can you be so sure? Modern psychology (though, your analysis is rather off the cuff) leaves no room for issues of spirit.

(October 23, 2008 at 2:01 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm)chatpilot Wrote: now my friend I have been there and done that.I was a Pentecostal evangelist and am sorry to tell you that what you experienced is a form of self delusion.

How can you be so sure? Modern psychology (though, your analysis is rather off the cuff) leaves no room for issues of spirit.

I agree but only in the sense that I don't personally think that chatpilot or anyone for that matter, can truly know anything in the 100% sense. I dunno though maybe chatpilot wasn't talking 100%.
But are you? Are you talking 100%? How can you be so sure about what you 'know'...?
I think that all evidence suggests God doesn't exist. You think otherwise. But thats not my point in this post my point is this:
I would like to ask you the following question, and would like an answer (although you don't have to answer it): How sure are you that God exists? I'm talking estimated probabilities here...how sure are you?

(October 23, 2008 at 1:59 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:54 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm)chatpilot Wrote: ManofGOD let me ask you a question.So, since we don't know the origins of life through scientific discovery you think we are to just give up and accept the version written down by some leader of a nomadic tribe that claims to have had a revelation from God about 6 to 10,000 years ago?That makes as much sense as jumping off a plane without a parachute.Also,remember that a revelation is only a revelation to the one who claims to have received it and hearsay to all the rest.

I have had a revelation from GOD and more. It takes very little to go from atheist to believer. I do not believe that science should be neglected, because of a belief in GOD. The GOD of creation is a GOD of order and he loves logic, reason and truth.

I'd almost go as far as saying that this seems like you're pretending to believe this, - for a joke. It somewhat seems like it IMO.
Oh and btw, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as plausible as any other 'supernatural' God.
Ramen.
Oh, and one more thing, whether you're really serious or not: If the soul=conscious mind and the heart=unconscious mind...then whats supernatural about that? What's supernatural about the soul and the spirit if they're merely material parts of the mind that can be explained neurologically etc.
P.S: You're surprisingly fun to debate with, it seems as though something funny's going on.
Ramen.

Remember, the neurological perspective, while valid, is only an aspect of the truth. The spirit is a part of GOD. Only GODs word can nourish the spirit. The spirit/soul lives on after death. I dis-regarded the bible, until earlier this year when I had a spiritual birth.

(October 23, 2008 at 2:15 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:59 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:54 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm)chatpilot Wrote: ManofGOD let me ask you a question.So, since we don't know the origins of life through scientific discovery you think we are to just give up and accept the version written down by some leader of a nomadic tribe that claims to have had a revelation from God about 6 to 10,000 years ago?That makes as much sense as jumping off a plane without a parachute.Also,remember that a revelation is only a revelation to the one who claims to have received it and hearsay to all the rest.

I have had a revelation from GOD and more. It takes very little to go from atheist to believer. I do not believe that science should be neglected, because of a belief in GOD. The GOD of creation is a GOD of order and he loves logic, reason and truth.

I'd almost go as far as saying that this seems like you're pretending to believe this, - for a joke. It somewhat seems like it IMO.
Oh and btw, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as plausible as any other 'supernatural' God.
Ramen.
Oh, and one more thing, whether you're really serious or not: If the soul=conscious mind and the heart=unconscious mind...then whats supernatural about that? What's supernatural about the soul and the spirit if they're merely material parts of the mind that can be explained neurologically etc.
P.S: You're surprisingly fun to debate with, it seems as though something funny's going on.
Ramen.

Remember, the neurological perspective, while valid, is only an aspect of the truth. The spirit is a part of GOD. Only GODs word can nourish the spirit. The spirit/soul lives on after death. I dis-regarded the bible, until earlier this year when I had a spiritual birth.

I said:

Quote:If the soul=conscious mind and the heart=unconscious mind...then whats supernatural about that? What's supernatural about the soul and the spirit if they're merely material parts of the mind that can be explained neurologically etc.

Where is the spiritual explanation? Other than just a mere claim that spirit exists? I said that you said that the conscious mind is soul and the unconcsious mind is spirit...if they are just parts of the mind....how's that spiritual? How's that supernatural?
Its like Steven Weinberg said, and I paraphrase here: 'If you say God is the universe or God is energy. Then you can find God in a lump of coal.'
How is that in any way spritual or supernatural? How is that anything other than material? What's spiritual about that?
Ok I gotta go, just for the now, - I'll be back later.

(October 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:01 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm)chatpilot Wrote: now my friend I have been there and done that.I was a Pentecostal evangelist and am sorry to tell you that what you experienced is a form of self delusion.

How can you be so sure? Modern psychology (though, your analysis is rather off the cuff) leaves no room for issues of spirit.

I agree but only in the sense that I don't personally think that chatpilot or anyone for that matter, can truly know anything in the 100% sense. I dunno though maybe chatpilot wasn't talking 100%.
But are you? Are you talking 100%? How can you be so sure about what you 'know'...?
I think that all evidence suggests God doesn't exist. You think otherwise. But thats not my point in this post my point is this:
I would like to ask you the following question, and would like an answer (although you don't have to answer it): How sure are you that God exists? I'm talking estimated probabilities here...how sure are you?

I have kidney failure and at one point in my life was close to death and declared beyond medical help. I was 100% certain that there was no GOD before and after this event. I cannot begin to explain how certain I am. One morning, I got up and I felt GODs Love for me.

(October 23, 2008 at 2:29 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:01 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm)chatpilot Wrote: now my friend I have been there and done that.I was a Pentecostal evangelist and am sorry to tell you that what you experienced is a form of self delusion.

How can you be so sure? Modern psychology (though, your analysis is rather off the cuff) leaves no room for issues of spirit.

I agree but only in the sense that I don't personally think that chatpilot or anyone for that matter, can truly know anything in the 100% sense. I dunno though maybe chatpilot wasn't talking 100%.
But are you? Are you talking 100%? How can you be so sure about what you 'know'...?
I think that all evidence suggests God doesn't exist. You think otherwise. But thats not my point in this post my point is this:
I would like to ask you the following question, and would like an answer (although you don't have to answer it): How sure are you that God exists? I'm talking estimated probabilities here...how sure are you?

I have kidney failure and at one point in my life was close to death and declared beyond medical help. I was 100% certain that there was no GOD before and after this event. I cannot begin to explain how certain I am. One morning, I got up and I felt GODs Love for me.

man of god.....you're balmy,deluded....you need help.

(October 23, 2008 at 2:22 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:15 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:59 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:54 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:31 pm)chatpilot Wrote: ManofGOD let me ask you a question.So, since we don't know the origins of life through scientific discovery you think we are to just give up and accept the version written down by some leader of a nomadic tribe that claims to have had a revelation from God about 6 to 10,000 years ago?That makes as much sense as jumping off a plane without a parachute.Also,remember that a revelation is only a revelation to the one who claims to have received it and hearsay to all the rest.

I have had a revelation from GOD and more. It takes very little to go from atheist to believer. I do not believe that science should be neglected, because of a belief in GOD. The GOD of creation is a GOD of order and he loves logic, reason and truth.

I'd almost go as far as saying that this seems like you're pretending to believe this, - for a joke. It somewhat seems like it IMO.
Oh and btw, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as plausible as any other 'supernatural' God.
Ramen.
Oh, and one more thing, whether you're really serious or not: If the soul=conscious mind and the heart=unconscious mind...then whats supernatural about that? What's supernatural about the soul and the spirit if they're merely material parts of the mind that can be explained neurologically etc.
P.S: You're surprisingly fun to debate with, it seems as though something funny's going on.
Ramen.

Remember, the neurological perspective, while valid, is only an aspect of the truth. The spirit is a part of GOD. Only GODs word can nourish the spirit. The spirit/soul lives on after death. I dis-regarded the bible, until earlier this year when I had a spiritual birth.

I said:

Quote:If the soul=conscious mind and the heart=unconscious mind...then whats supernatural about that? What's supernatural about the soul and the spirit if they're merely material parts of the mind that can be explained neurologically etc.

Where is the spiritual explanation? Other than just a mere claim that spirit exists? I said that you said that the conscious mind is soul and the unconcsious mind is spirit...if they are just parts of the mind....how's that spiritual? How's that supernatural?
Its like Steven Weinberg said, and I paraphrase here: 'If you say God is the universe or God is energy. Then you can find God in a lump of coal.'
How is that in any way spritual or supernatural? How is that anything other than material? What's spiritual about that?
Ok I gotta go, just for the now, - I'll be back later.

The spiritual and physical are intricately linked. Clearly only the physical is discernable to the eye. GOD desires minimal interference with His creation, but those that truely seek Him, will find Him.

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(October 23, 2008 at 2:36 pm)bozo Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:29 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:14 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 2:01 pm)ManofGOD Wrote:

(October 23, 2008 at 1:46 pm)chatpilot Wrote: now my friend I have been there and done that.I was a Pentecostal evangelist and am sorry to tell you that what you experienced is a form of self delusion.

How can you be so sure? Modern psychology (though, your analysis is rather off the cuff) leaves no room for issues of spirit.

I agree but only in the sense that I don't personally think that chatpilot or anyone for that matter, can truly know anything in the 100% sense. I dunno though maybe chatpilot wasn't talking 100%.
But are you? Are you talking 100%? How can you be so sure about what you 'know'...?
I think that all evidence suggests God doesn't exist. You think otherwise. But thats not my point in this post my point is this:
I would like to ask you the following question, and would like an answer (although you don't have to answer it): How sure are you that God exists? I'm talking estimated probabilities here...how sure are you?

I have kidney failure and at one point in my life was close to death and declared beyond medical help. I was 100% certain that there was no GOD before and after this event. I cannot begin to explain how certain I am. One morning, I got up and I felt GODs Love for me.

man of god.....you're balmy,deluded....you need help.

dear Bozo

Do not deny my experience. Neither the medical profession, nor the average priest can help me.