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Noah's Ark
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 (March 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 18, 2012 at 7:14 pm)Napoleon Wrote: I don't like all this 'testing' and fucking around with us that your god supposedly keeps doing. He seems to me to be like a kid with a micro-scope sitting over an ant hill.How so? I just told you in the previous sentence. 
They have short attention spans, Nap.
 (March 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I can destroy his entire argument with four words - God is all knowing. Which means for god, to test anything will be pointless seeing as he already knows the results.Why do you suppose that the "test" was for God's benefit? It seems that even for a non believer there is something to be gained or learned from the faith of Noah. Quote: God cannot be angered, pleased or prompted because he already knows the future. He's all powerful and all knowing, he can change things so that no one needed to die, no creation lost and no action required. God fails on all these. Some god....Why would an immortal seek to preserve a temporary existence in the face of an eternal one? Only those who worship this life with all of their being see death as an absolute or take offense when one does not fear it as they do. Know God does not sacredly value your understanding of life as you do. For He sees our deaths in this life as are our births into eternity. Why prolong our labor pains any longer than we need to endure them? If you have made your choice or had the oppertunity to do so then the purpose of your time here has passed. Quote:It seems that even for a non believer there is something to be gained or learned from the faith of Noah. And the evidence that "Noah" was real is.....................? (March 18, 2012 at 7:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Please explain as I am slow to understand your analogy. Let me put it this way. If god is truly omniscient, then he does not need to test us. What is the point of testing if you know the outcome? The only alternative I can see is that god does NOT know the outcome. But that would leave your entire theology with a big gaping crater. That god is supposedly omniscient yet 'tests' us anyway, would suggest he is malevolent.  (March 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would an immortal seek to preserve a temporary existence in the face of an eternal one? Only those who worship this life with all of their being see death as an absolute or take offense when one does not fear it as they do. Know God does not sacredly value your understanding of life as you do. For He sees our deaths in this life as are our births into eternity. Why prolong our labor pains any longer than we need to endure them? If you have made your choice or had the oppertunity to do so then the purpose of your time here has passed. Do you fear going into oblivion when you die? That you're nothing but a biological speck? Religion always comes back to death. That tells me a lot you know. I live as long as I can because as far as I know, it's the only one I've got. Not going to waste it hoping for another one.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity. Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist. You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them. (March 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm)padraic Wrote: I agree that your interpretation is closer to that of mainstream Christianity, which considers the entire book of Genesis to be allegory.I did not say the story was an allegory. The events happened as recorded. I simply pointed out that the story of Noah was not a tale of logistics or a way to save the planet without the help of God. I Pointed to the elements of the story you all seem to habitually over look. In that without God's intervention all of the points you all generally make would have doomed Noah's personal efforts. Which should take the seeker to the next revelation. In that the story is meant to relay how God saved creation, not the efforts of Noah. hence the conclusion "MJ," you all miss the point of the story   RE: Noah's Ark
March 18, 2012 at 7:49 pm
(This post was last modified: March 18, 2012 at 7:54 pm by Norfolk And Chance.)
(March 18, 2012 at 7:34 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 18, 2012 at 7:21 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I can destroy his entire argument with four words - God is all knowing. Which means for god, to test anything will be pointless seeing as he already knows the results.Why do you suppose that the "test" was for God's benefit? Why bother having a real physical life in which you die, to be born into an immaterial, eternal life afterwards. Why not simply be born into eternal heaven, and skip the life/death bit? god sure created things the hard way. One thing we know about nature and anything is that it always takes the simplest route. Your god is at complete odds to this. He's made up you know. (March 18, 2012 at 7:48 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 18, 2012 at 7:23 pm)padraic Wrote: I agree that your interpretation is closer to that of mainstream Christianity, which considers the entire book of Genesis to be allegory.I did not say the story was an allegory. The events happened as recorded. I simply pointed out that the story of Noah was not a tale of logistics or a way to save the planet without the help of God. So Noah managed to get all the animals onto an unfeasibly small boat within an unfeasibly short timespan (ie within his lifetime) due to god's help? Is that what you are saying? god made the impossible possible? With magic? How is this different to santa carrying out the equally impossible task of getting round everyone's house in 24 hours and delivering the right stuff? Well you get told that santa can do this because he's magic... Where's the difference?
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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