(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

Why would god need proof if he already knows whether you have faith or not?

(March 29, 2012 at 4:38 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

Why would god need proof if he already knows whether you have faith or not?

The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:38 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

Why would god need proof if he already knows whether you have faith or not?

The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

A gauge intended for who, exactly?

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:38 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

Why would god need proof if he already knows whether you have faith or not?

The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

It is not even evidence, much less proof, to the thoughtful, and as a guage a much more accurate measures your existent hillucinational pathology rather than relationship with a nonexistent "christ".

(March 29, 2012 at 5:26 pm)Aegrus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:38 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

Why would god need proof if he already knows whether you have faith or not?

The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

A gauge intended for who, exactly?

One's self.

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

So, the works don't really matter, unless you care what others think of you.

(March 30, 2012 at 4:39 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

So, the works don't really matter, unless you care what others think of you.

I do recall a bit of the bible where 'ol JC says that you are to keep your charitable acts and your prayers secret otherwise you're just showing off.
Matthew 6 unless I'm wrong.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that GC is just making this shit up as he goes along and really knows fuck all about his bible and his gods.

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(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

So when a woman murders her 5 children because she really, really believes that they will go to hell otherwise, that means she is a good christian.

Sounds reasonable to me

(March 30, 2012 at 4:39 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

So, the works don't really matter, unless you care what others think of you.

It has nothing to do with self exalting, a christian lives his/her life for Christ so others may see what Christ has done in their lives. Works have nothing to do with salvation, they are a result of salvation.

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(March 30, 2012 at 7:13 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(March 30, 2012 at 4:39 am)genkaus Wrote:

(March 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm)Godschild Wrote: The works are proof to others not God, it is also a gauge to where ones relationship is with Christ.

So, the works don't really matter, unless you care what others think of you.

I do recall a bit of the bible where 'ol JC says that you are to keep your charitable acts and your prayers secret otherwise you're just showing off.
Matthew 6 unless I'm wrong.

I'm increasingly of the opinion that GC is just making this shit up as he goes along and really knows fuck all about his bible and his gods.

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(March 29, 2012 at 4:36 am)Godschild Wrote: What I said is true, Salvation comes through faith in Christ and not works, works however are proof of what you believe. Simple really.

So when a woman murders her 5 children because she really, really believes that they will go to hell otherwise, that means she is a good christian.

Sounds reasonable to me

I've come to the conclusion you care nothing for a good conversation, all you are interested in is to insult. Cheap shot artist comes to mind.

I have no gods, I serve only the one true God. Jesus was talking about not showing off, pompous if you will.

If God is omnipotent, why does he need to be served?

(March 30, 2012 at 1:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: It has nothing to do with self exalting, a christian lives his/her life for Christ so others may see what Christ has done in their lives. Works have nothing to do with salvation, they are a result of salvation.

Stop skirting the issue. Either the works matter to god or they don't. If they don't, then they neither help nor hinder your getting into heaven. Is that about it?