You speak as if you would listen to anything we could ever say

how nice to see you here, Watchman. And - thanks for you introductory post.
How about you show your originality - and actually answer the issue of this topic ?


Oh Angelo ..... what for ?

You're forgetting ,I've seen your repertoire.

I know all your twisted , copied & pasted routines.

Plus you know I never knowingly feed trolls.


Oh ,and if your feeling talkative...
Can I ask
Is it your bunch involved in this....

"Scandal Rocks Pentecostal Church in Brazil

By Jan Rocha / London Observer Service
SAO PAULO, Brazil -- Ana Paula Monteiro was such a loyal contributor to the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God that she was awarded a diploma -- signed by "Mr. Jesus Christ." She says she has paid $12,000 in tithes and special offerings.

Last week, Monteiro went down to the Universal Church's largest temple in Sao Paulo and demanded her money back. A preacher told her: "Go and get it back from God."

Link:
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/religion/...ndal.shtml

(April 22, 2012 at 4:10 pm)Jireh Wrote:

(April 22, 2012 at 10:23 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Evolution is scientific fact. It has nothing to do with faith.

If macro evolution is a scientific fact, please present the conclusive proof.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Greatest-Show-...1416594787

Read. Learn. Don't bother coming back. We always have plenty of fucking morons dropping in here looking for the crocoduck.

Or some symphony of science -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDOpAM2FrQ

(April 22, 2012 at 11:40 am)Stimbo Wrote: Other than our own consciences

so why do you have a conscience, but animals do not ?

http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.net/theology.html

Quote:"Man has within his breast a certain commanding dictate, not a mere sentiment, not a mere opinion or impression or view of things, but a law, an authoritative voice, bidding him do certain things and avoid others. I do not say that its particular injunctions are always clear, or that they are always consistent with each other; but what I am insisting on here is this, that it commands; that it praises, blames, it threatens, it implies a future, and it witnesses of the unseen. It is more than a man’s own self. The man himself has no power over it, or only with extreme difficulty; he did not make it, he cannot destroy it…. This is Conscience, and, from the nature of the case, its very existence carries our minds to a Being exterior to ourselves; for else, when did it come?..."

Quote:The combined forces of Britain, America, France, Russia, Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, China, Denmark, Greece, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, South Africa and Yugoslavia. Not to mention all the brave men and women from Axis nations who chose to risk, and in many cases lose, their lives fighting for the Allied cause. (And I'm sure there are others around here more history-savvy than I am who are going to pounce on me mercilessly after this).

It was just their opinion, Hitler was wrong......

Quote:Really, this simplistic binary view of the world in terms of good/evil or black/white is both naïve and harmful. If it were shown to you, unequivocally and absolutely, that your god does not exist, to what depths of depravity would you sink?

To no depravity, since there could nothing be called so. If i held torturing ,raping ank killing a new born baby as morally excellent, nobody could tell me i am wrong, since that is just a subjective, different position of mine, different than yours. It would be just different, not better , or worse, since good and evil cannot exist if not prescribed.


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God exist whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God. Robert A. Laidlaw

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(April 22, 2012 at 11:40 am)tobie Wrote: You are the one making the claim, you need to provide evidence.

i have made no claim in my intructory post. I have just asked questions.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/perfectproof.htm

Quote:Atheism is utterly destroyed and morally bankrupt because it has no answer to this prescient issue and never will. Ask an atheist what evidence he has for atheism? He will dodge the issue, spend an hour redefining atheism in multiple different conflicting ways and say he doesn't need a reason, because he just feels it in his burning bosom. Christians have a burning bosom of faith also, which certainly runs deeper with eternal life and the Holy Spirit within, but we don't say that is the sole reason. Our reasoning extends to many varied proofs for God (they are commonly cited among scholars as in Blackwell's Companion to Natural Theology). There is nothing new under the sun!

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(April 22, 2012 at 2:18 pm)Voltair Wrote: There is no 100% proof that there is no such thing as a deity.

I know that. All i am asking, is to present good reasons to believe strong atheism is true. Why should strong atheism be a better explanation for our existence, than theism ?

Maybe we should stop feeding the troll.


I know I know ... I'm guilty too.

(April 22, 2012 at 2:59 pm)AthiestAtheist Wrote:

(April 21, 2012 at 5:13 pm)Jireh Wrote: Please present positive arguments why you think atheism is true

No bible bashing etc...... which would be a negative argument.

But that's sort of a double negative; atheism is a negative viewpoint, it isn't in of itself "true".

That's not fair, atheism is a negative position. You can't defend a negative position with positive arguments. That just doesn't work logically. You aim to have a discussion where you completely disarm your opposition that is completely pointless.

But since you asked... Atheism is true because it has not been proven that God exists.

Q.E.D.

Strong atheism holds a positive postion, namely that most probably no God exists.

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(April 22, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: I AM making a case by asking you to prove your claim that god is real.

having a hard time answering my question ??!! thats no news to me.....
You need to make a case that stands by its own, if you want to be credible.....

so, can you answer why you think atheism is true, without beating on theism ?

(April 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Jireh Wrote: Strong atheism holds a positive postion, namely that most probably no God exists.

That's like saying that Death's positive position is that it is not Alive. It means nothing.

What can I say to that besides, Your statement has no relevance Captain Obvious.

(April 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: The reason the question in the OP is so pointless is because atheism simply means - without theism. That's what the 'A' is for.

Theism - Belief in god.

A-theism - Without belief in god.

Can't really make it any simpler for ya. You either fail to grasp this because you are extremely stupid or just can't stand the fact that it simply means - without belief.

Asking for facts or evidence or positive arguments for a lack of belief is completely pointless.
Also as a note for theists, the ism bit comes from the word theism. The A means without. It stems from Greek, theos and atheos. Or if you will... θεϊστής and αθεϊστής.

Strong atheism : most probably no God exists.

why ?

(April 22, 2012 at 6:16 pm)Jireh Wrote: Strong atheism : most probably no God exists.

why ?

I'm an agnostic atheist, not a strong one. I'm not claiming that there is no god. I've simply rejected the claim that such a being exists. I am without theism. Without belief in god. Doesn't get much simpler than that old boy.