(April 24, 2012 at 7:16 pm)padraic Wrote: To me,theology is no more than pious mental masturbation.

Maybe, but the orgasms are awesome!

(April 24, 2012 at 7:53 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Maybe, but the orgasms are awesome!

Confirmed.

(Q Min )

(April 24, 2012 at 8:01 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(April 24, 2012 at 7:53 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Maybe, but the orgasms are awesome!

Confirmed.

(Q Min )

So, essentially you're a bunch of virgins of reality.

(April 24, 2012 at 8:01 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(April 24, 2012 at 7:53 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Maybe, but the orgasms are awesome!

Confirmed.

(Q Min )

I would laugh if I didn't suspect that you deluded people meant it.

Very simply put, I point out their is no time line between the creation of man and the fall of man. I also point out that outside of details of creation itself everything mentioned, takes place in the Garden. Basically between the four rivers that define it, God created a picture of the world that would be consistent with the evolutionary progress of man at the time of the fall.

Evolved man or "monkey man" is man without a soul, and In the Garden Man created in the image of God, would be man with a soul. That would leave room for whole complete fossil record that could not biblically be reconciled. It also explains the city Cain moved to and the wives and husbands the children of Adam and Eve took for themselves. (They intermingled with monkey man/woman and pass their gift onto their children.)

Now I know the goto verse to disprove this is in Genesis 5:4 After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.

In the English it seems that Adam's total existence was 930 years. But when we look at the Hebrew the word that is translated "lived" is:Chaya it means:1) to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life etc... (In short imortal life)

At the fall Adam's eternal existence with God died as promised in Gen 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

When they were exiled they were given "Chay" which means a Mortal life, of plants, of animals, dependent on water.
Genesis 3:
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.

At this point Adam's immortality ended and his clock started on his 930 years. These were all of the days He spent on THIS Earth. (not the Garden/Presents of God/Heaven because technically that is to be considered to be Heaven)


How do we know they were immortal in the Garden with God? because of Genesis 2:16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;

Amongest those trees was the tree of life. What did the tree of life do?

Genesis 3:22Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--

So to recap:
God created Man and woman and placed them in the garden. They could have been there a day before eating the forbidden fruit or they could have been there the 900 million bazillion years the scientist believe it took to evolve. Why? because there is no recorded time time between: "In the beginning" and the fall of man. Only speculation because we can count the generations back 6000 or so years.

When in fact all we can really say is that man has been out of the Garden 6000 or so years. We know the Garden was a sanctuary, and that God kept Man created in His image there for an undisclosed amount of time. This does not means the rest of the world did not have to evolve as the undeniable fossil record proves.

Something very important to note this is NOT "Gap theory" or Creation theory as made popular in the 17 century. Even though the empty term Gap Creation theory can apply, as far as I know this is something very new.

(This is creation gap theory:What is the "Gap Theory?" • ChristianAnswers.Net
In short between genesis 1:1 and 1:2 there is a whole nother version of creation story. The problem here is there is added or filler material between the two accounts. )

Why is it important to distance this theory from Gap creation theory?? Because it combines the unmolested Genesis account AS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE, with the evolutionary data we have discovered and can not other wise reconcile. Without Adding anything to scripture or taking anything away. This also explains several other creation "paradoxes" that atheist tend to use to disprove the genesis account.

I have only taken the face value account of Genesis and lined the holes up with the holes in the evolutionary account of origins and they fit together perfectly.

There needn't be any timeline Drich, the narrative is bullshit without wondering how much time passed. You "know" nothing about this garden, it is a fairy tale. You keep assuming that you've created or brought some brand new apologetics to the table. You are as mistaken in this instance as you were in the last.

(April 24, 2012 at 10:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There needn't be any timeline Drich, the narrative is bullshit without wondering how much time passed. You "know" nothing about this garden, it is a fairy tale. You keep assuming that you've created or brought some brand new apologetics to the table. You are as mistaken in this instance as you were in the last.

You had you shot, and the best you could do is try and dismiss what you could not responsibly refute. Can we see what the good captain has to say?

I make it a habit to avoid shooting wounded animals. Genesis is a lame horse.

(sometimes I get the impression that you have entire conversations in your head with imaginary versions of those who disagree with you, and that you can't seperate these internal exchanges from those external ones, leading to posts like your last)

Quote:I make it a habit to avoid shooting wounded animals. Genesis is a lame horse.

Then put it out of its misery. I would if there were not so many stupid bastards insisting on making the thing linger.One would have to kill them first---
Ah,umm

(April 24, 2012 at 9:42 pm)Drich Wrote: So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died...
In the English it seems that Adam's total existence was 930 years. But when we look at the Hebrew the word that is translated "lived" is:Chaya it means:1) to live, have life, remain alive, sustain life etc... (In short imortal life)...When they were exiled they were given "Chay" which means a Mortal life, of plants, of animals, dependent on water.

There is no prefix or suffix for the primary root Het-Yod-He, transliterated as 'chayah', that distinguishes between mortal and immortal life.