(May 7, 2012 at 11:51 am)Tobie Wrote:

(May 7, 2012 at 11:29 am)Carnavon Wrote: I agree 100%. It is faith- very similar to the belief in evolution. Evidence however suggests that it is a reasonable faith - cteation by God

Evolution has fuck all to do with faith. It is only morons like you who try to claim otherwise.

How do you account for the belief in evolution despite unsolved "mysteries" - which you are (hopefully) aware of - or do you suggest that the theory of evolution has it all "sorted out". If the latter is your argument, you are dishonest, sir.

(May 8, 2012 at 5:43 am)Carnavon Wrote: How do you account for the belief in evolution despite unsolved "mysteries" - which you are (hopefully) aware of - or do you suggest that the theory of evolution has it all "sorted out". If the latter is your argument, you are dishonest, sir.

How do you account for the belief in gravity despite unsolved "mysteries" - which you are (hopefully) aware of.

Do you think that gravity theory has it all sorted out? Do you refuse to accept gravity based on this.

(May 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'd be willing to consider it a "real possibility", just as soon as you show me how to assign metrics to an intangible. Perhaps you could show me how to dismiss all of the tangibles we do have about the whole "god" business as well, because that's also in the way.

(May 7, 2012 at 1:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'd be willing to consider it a "real possibility", just as soon as you show me how to assign metrics
to an intangible. Perhaps you could show me how to dismiss all of the tangibles we do have about the whole "god" business as well, because that's also in the way.

No my friend I know that you cannot assign metrics to an intangible. Can you assign a metric to love? Therefore it does not exist?
Kindly help me with issues on "tangibles we do have about the whole "god" business
Please hear me - I am not trying to ridicule your arguments or your beliefs - all I want to do is to make you consider.
The rest is out of my hands (apart from praying to God that He will have mercy on you)
I know there is a lot of skepticism about the "supernatural", and no problem in being skeptical - it is healthy.
You may however consider looking at the experience of a guy by the name of Angus Buchan - a plain farmer who puts all is trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Do not accept Angus as a "miracle worker" - but an honest man that is a "all or nothing" kind of guy - and not a televangelist preaching the "prosperity gospel" or any other gospel that people would like to hear.
(The reference that Angus makes is about the book of Daniel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_u6UPoEg...re=related.

(May 8, 2012 at 5:43 am)Carnavon Wrote:

(May 7, 2012 at 11:51 am)Tobie Wrote: Evolution has fuck all to do with faith. It is only morons like you who try to claim otherwise.

How do you account for the belief in evolution despite unsolved "mysteries" - which you are (hopefully) aware of - or do you suggest that the theory of evolution has it all "sorted out". If the latter is your argument, you are dishonest, sir.

And what might those unsolved"mysteries" be?

Cueing "No transitional forms" in 3.2.1......

Actually, yeah, you can assign metrics to love. We do it all of the time. If we had to exercise psychic powers to determine whether or not we were loved by our spouse, our parents, our children or our friends we'd all feel pretty damned lonely. Everyone assigns different metrics, it's very subjective, but I haven't heard anyone claiming that love was anything other than a human emotion, so I don't worry about that.

Personal testimony, really? What of the personal testimonies of everyone who has ever believed in any other god? Why are their testimonies insufficient? Face it, you don't buy personal testimony any more than I do.

The tangibles we do have are the mountain of gods and godlings from different cultures and times. Libraries full of narratives each no more or less believable than the next. When you can field a competent explanation for your lack of belief in those gods you shouldn't have any trouble understanding why I don't buy into yours.

I have considered, this is why I have no such beliefs. You're late to this party Carn. I could be shown a god, and this I wouldn't mind, but it still wouldn't make me a christian. It's a point of curiosity for me, not a faith-shopping expedition. You're suggesting that I should side with superstition over biology. That's not likely to happen. At least respect the work of the creator you imagine there to be enough to avoid being a complete imbecile. Apparently, you'd rather it had been magic words than some scary thing you don't understand. If god didn't do it the way you think he did he didn't do it at all. I'm going to have to side with god on this one, and request that you stop making him out to be a fucking moron.

Sometimes it's futile arguing with Creationists. Obviously they are very confused and have the words "faith" and "fact" mixed up. They just regurgitate the same old arguments, "Evolution is faith! The Bible is the true science! Ha! EVOLUTION DISPROVEN! Eat that, EVIL-UTIONISTS!"

Maybe if they go and study evolutinary biology at college, read non-creationist books about evolutionary biology, visit some natural history museums and actually TRY to understand how evolution really works, maybe they'll finally see the evidence they're looking for, which they refuse to see. But they probably don't even know what evidence looks like. I've seen many instances where creationists are presented with evidence but they're just not interested and write it off without even bothering to look at it.

(May 8, 2012 at 9:02 am)Jovian Wrote: EVOLUTION ...EVIL-UTIONISTS

Ever notice how really stupid that replacement by creotards is? I mean evolution (evol is love backwards) and evilution (evil is live backwards). It is almost as if the creotards are subliminally saying love is evil.

(May 7, 2012 at 5:51 pm)DeeTee Wrote: So you attack those innocent of such actions?

I don't think it constitutes an "attacK' if I fail to show respect for your beliefs or your "holy book".

Quote:The term 'brainwashed' really is a two edged sword and deoends upon a person's perspective.

How so? Because I demand evidence before believing outlandish claims? Because I acknowledge the overwhelming evidence that supports evolution? This constututes being "brainwashed" to you? On the contrary, you are the one who is brainwashed. If you had been born in Pakistan I have no doubt that today you would be praying to Allah. You would also believe that Mohammed was his prophet and you would be fanatical regarding the "truth" of the Koran. You see, your religious beliefs are determined by where you are born and what those around you believe. On the other hand, if I had been born in Pakistan I would still be an atheist.

So which of us is truly brainwashed?

Quote:Since "God" is an imaginary being

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Quote:You have asserted that, not proven it true.

Since you can't provide any evidence that this god is real, it is perfectly reasonable to consider him a figment of the imagination. I can assert that "God" is imaginary with the same certainty I would assert that werewolves are imaginary.

Quote: Sadly for you, changed lives for over 2,000 years,

"Changed lives"? How so? And even if someone's life changes, how does that prove the existence of your deity?

Quote:miracles

And here we go. Okay, provide evidence of a "miracle". And I'm talking about something verifiable. Just reference ONE instance where people prayed for someone to have a missing limb regenerate and it grew back. Give ONE instance where people prayed for a paralyzed person to walk and they got up and did so. I'm betting you have nothing like that.

Quote: and other acts for the same length of time disprove your assertion.

What "other acts"? Are you talking about where Jesus shows up on toast?

Quote:All you are describing is not the work of 'science' but men using God given determination, their God given intelligence, using God given raw materials, to produce those items you claim were done by science.

What I described was the results of hard working men and women who used science to make possible great achievements. Your imaginary deity had nothing to do with it.

Quote:Science is an imaginary entity and does not exist and contains no such abilities or capibilities to produce what you have claimed to have been the work of science.

Science doesn't exist?

Quote:What I see are CREATED HUMANS doing the work.

Yes, people do the work. And you seem to think your deity creates people. Do you think he creates everything?

Quote:Baseless assertion. You have any evidence to support this claim?

Quote:Yes but you do not accept it as evidence

Well, let's see it anyway. Whatcha got? Or do you prefer not to reveal it because it's incredibly weak evidence?

Quote: but then you do not have any evidence for an alternative source for those items.

I don't need any evidence. I'm not the one making a claim. YOU are the one telling us that "God" created all the natural resources. Unless you can provide us with evidence, your claim can be dismissed as the bullshit it is.

Quote: You have to use theory and faith.

Yes, we use scientific theories. These are not guesses or conjecture. And we also use reasonable faith. For example, I have reasonable faith that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. This is "faith" based on experience and knowledge. Unlike you, I don't have blind faith. Big difference.

(May 7, 2012 at 5:51 pm)DeeTee Wrote: Sadly for you, changed lives for over 2,000 years,

Such as, they were alive, and thanks to a few swords, arrows, and general burning and stoning.. they are now dead.

Oh yes, we are aware of how you changed 'lives'.

Quote:Well, let's see it anyway. Whatcha got? Or do you prefer not to reveal it because it's incredibly weak evidence

More than evolutionists have.

Quote:Since you can't provide any evidence that this god is real, it is perfectly reasonable to consider him a figment of the imagination. I can assert that "God" is imaginary with the same certainty I would assert that werewolves are imaginary.

God has already done that but you reject it so you are SOL.