Quote:get my morality from moral reasoning. I don't hijack it from the bible, I ask 2 simple questions:

Where do you get your moral reasoning from? Evolution has no clue about morals and cannot conceive of any thus where would you find such a thing?

Since you do not believe a moral God exists, and nothing else claims to be moral (receiving morality from evolution or animals is not a claimed achievment but an attributation by secularists who do not want to believe in a moral God) where did these morals arise?

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(May 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm)Tiberius Wrote: You do realise the Bible borrows its moral teachings from other points in history right? Morality is passed down, and it evolves just as everything else does. Everyone is moral in their own way; there is not one moral standard which fits neatly over everyone.

Since the Bible didn't do that and since no evidence of such an event has been produced you cannot make that accusation. Since atheists want evidence they need to produce some for their own wild claims.

(May 10, 2012 at 4:06 am)DeeTee Wrote: Since the Bible didn't do that and since no evidence of such an event has been produced you cannot make that accusation. Since atheists want evidence they need to produce some for their own wild claims.

What "event"? All I'm saying is that the Bible didn't really bring any big changes to morality when it was written; the moral laws that it espouses were already part of society. Perhaps you could give an example of a moral statement that you think the Bible came up with?

Even if atheists had no morals,it would be still better than stoning a non-virgin on her wedding night or killing your neighbor whom works on Sunday....

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(May 10, 2012 at 4:06 am)DeeTee Wrote:

(May 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm)Tiberius Wrote: You do realise the Bible borrows its moral teachings from other points in history right? Morality is passed down, and it evolves just as everything else does. Everyone is moral in their own way; there is not one moral standard which fits neatly over everyone.

Since the Bible didn't do that and since no evidence of such an event has been produced you cannot make that accusation. Since atheists want evidence they need to produce some for their own wild claims.

http://www.freewebs.com/see_the_truth/Ne...ament.html
http://pocm.info/

It's not directly about morality,it just focuses on the Christian myth in general,stating that Christianity originates from Paganism.

What's incredible is that he actually needs to have things like "don't steal" and "don't kill" written down in order to know not to do it. That he's that stupid and incapable of reason that he actually needs to have a book to tell him not to do things. The fact that he can't work out for himself what's fucking wrong.

Go 7:30 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3X5f3gY4...re=related

(May 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm)DeeTee Wrote: I have been on a number of atheist boards and in discussion with numerous atheists. I am in one now on same sex marriage with a scholar at an american university and he does what all atheists do, that I have come in contact with,--He puts words into my mouth that I did not say and credits me with acts I did not do.

it gets old after awhile but that is not my focus with this thread. One major complaint (aside from their subjectivity) is their claim to be moral when in reality they are not.

Atheists claim that religious people do not have a monopoly on morality but if one looks at the atheistic way of life, their is no source for their own supposed moral code.

Where do they get their idea of morality from? Well they will not admit to it but they hijack a lot of it from the Bible but they also allow themselves wiggle room to be able to lie, misrepresent what others say, alter quotes to fit their arguments, be abusive, being hypocritical, using double standards and other minor sins they deem not important.

In God's eye they are not moral, in my eyes they are not being moral but fudging the lines to do whatever they feel like when the situation calls for it.

In other words, I do not find atheists to be as moral as they claim and their words and actions bear this conclusion out. How can they say they are moral when they will be immoral when it benefits them?

Hey DeeTee I'm really happy for you, I really am, I'mma let you finish, but the Old Testament had the BEST murder stories of all time! OF ALL TIME!

That aside I really don't give two peanut-filled shits what you think god's eyes would consider others because you've never met the guy. You've read a book that was written by guys who knew these other guys who knew these other guys who knew these other guys who knew these other guys who told these really good stories that they heard from some other guys who pieced it together based on inspiration from other stories and legends and myths from the last few thousand years. That does not make you the authority on the unproven, unprovable, undisprovable mythic fantasy being you call "god." It makes you another dipshit repeating a story that he heard from someone who heard it from someone who heard it...well, you get the idea.

By the way, really good job with the blanket generalizations there, bro. That ALWAYS makes a man sound totally legit, is when he starts foaming at the mouth and saying "everyone is exactly the same because I have seen it happen in two different circumstances!" Bitch please.

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(May 10, 2012 at 4:37 am)Tiberius Wrote:

(May 10, 2012 at 4:06 am)DeeTee Wrote: Since the Bible didn't do that and since no evidence of such an event has been produced you cannot make that accusation. Since atheists want evidence they need to produce some for their own wild claims.

What "event"? All I'm saying is that the Bible didn't really bring any big changes to morality when it was written; the moral laws that it espouses were already part of society. Perhaps you could give an example of a moral statement that you think the Bible came up with?

It's truly remarkable how he whines about atheists putting words in his mouth.

Then does the exact same fucking thing himself.

(May 10, 2012 at 6:57 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: Hey DeeTee I'm really happy for you, I really am, I'mma let you finish, but the Old Testament had the BEST murder stories of all time! OF ALL TIME!

that ... is hilarious.

(May 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm)DeeTee Wrote: Atheists claim that religious people do not have a monopoly on morality but if one looks at the atheistic way of life,

"The atheistic way of life"? What the hell is that? Not going to church on Sunday constitutes "a way of life"? Then I guess not traveling to Europe constitutes a vacation.

Quote: their is no source for their own supposed moral code.

Oh, boy. Here we go again. We have another brainwashed believer who thinks atheists can't have morals because we don't have "a source" (i.e. "God") to tell us what is moral.

Oh, and you really need to learn the difference between "there" and "their".

Quote:Where do they get their idea of morality from?

Well, you learn right and wrong from your parents, family members, teachers at school, etc....

Quote: Well they will not admit to it but they hijack a lot of it from the Bible

Oh, gee.... you mean stuff like "the golden rule". Yeah, this was around well before the Babble was written. As were morals. You think people ran around indicriminately killing each other before the Babble came around?

Quote:In God's eye they are not moral,

And your deity told you this?

Quote:In other words, I do not find atheists to be as moral as they claim and their words and actions bear this conclusion out. How can they say they are moral when they will be immoral when it benefits them?

Generalize much?

You want to know where I get my morals? Well, I can tell you that I DON'T get my morals from a book that tells you it's okay to keep slaves! And you seem to think that the Babble is the source for all morality. If that's true, the babble should be crystal clear and there should be no disagreements on what is and what isn't permissable. But that's not what we find at all! Believers can't agree among themselves on the morality of many things. Is gambling immoral? Some believers will say yes, others will say no. Same with polygamy, drinking alcoholic beverages, nudity, certain types of sex, homosexuality, etc, etc.... If believers can't even agree on matters of morality, why should the Babble even be looked upon as a source for it?

(May 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm)DeeTee Wrote: I do not find atheists to be as moral as they claim

I don't remember claiming to be moral at all.

(May 10, 2012 at 4:06 am)DeeTee Wrote: Where do you get your moral reasoning from? Evolution has no clue about morals and cannot conceive of any thus where would you find such a thing?

Before the commandments were given to Moses, how do you think people lived? Do you think there was any chance that a population could have grown and been sustained if people didn't understand basic concepts of co-existence like 'Do not murder' and 'Do not steal'?

If they already understood those things, the point of the commandments was...

(May 10, 2012 at 5:53 am)Ace Otana Wrote: What's incredible is that he actually needs to have things like "don't steal" and "don't kill" written down in order to know not to do it. That he's that stupid and incapable of reason that he actually needs to have a book to tell him not to do things. The fact that he can't work out for himself what's fucking wrong.

That video is so fucking hilarious.