(May 13, 2012 at 4:45 pm)Drich Wrote: Again My life my experience was not for any of you to believe. It was for me to believe. The only reason it was brought up here was because the question was asked, Why doesn't God perform miracle anymore? I wanted to demonstrate the answer first hand with what happened to me.

Assuming that your story is 100% true, what you have here is nothing more than an unexplained cure. And "unexplained" DOES NOT equal "miracle". Maybe one day science will be able to explain how you were cured. What then?

And if you want to impress us, please provide one verified instance where a person with a missing limb was prayed for and the limb grew back. Or an instance where a paralyzed person got up and walked after being prayed for. Or an instance where a person with a missing eye was prayed for and the eye regenerated. Ya got anything like that?

Quote:In that He does, but people dismiss them to "the body sometimes does weird things"

Spontaneous remission is well documented. Why this happens, doctors can't yet explain. But it happens to people regardless of whether or not prayers were offered.

Quote:Or Thank an engineer or thank science,

Yes, I'll thank an engineer for buildng the bridge that I drive over every day. Your deity had nothing to do with it. And I'll thank science for the vaccine that prevents me from contracting smallpox, measles, diptheria, polio, tetanus, etc, etc... Again, your deity had nothing to do with any of this.

Quote:Which of course is all apart of the plan.

And you know this is true..... how?

Quote:The long and short of it is if you want "proof" you are going to have to get your hands dirty and seek it out for yourself.

Nice try at deflection. What you fail to realize is that most of us here (including me) were believers at some point. And we never had any sort of personal experience that would make us think your deity is real.

Quote: This isn't like science in where some smarter than you, does/is allowed to do your thinking for you,

If this is what you think, you have a poor understanding of science.

Quote:God designed a system that only rewards those who follow a prescribed path, and no one but the person following said path will be able to reap the benefits for following it.

Unsubstantiated bullshit.

I have one more question.... You obviously think "God" cured your disease. Why did he cure you and ignore all those children down at the cancer ward of the local hospital? What makes you so special?

http://www.localhealth.com/article/skin-lesion/causes

All kinds of causes for skin lesions. I really, really think you have a false positive. Simple clerical errors could even be at work. My father once got a letter in the mail telling him his recent blood donation showed he had AIDS. Turned out, there was another man with his name in town and they had gotten mixed up.

(May 14, 2012 at 1:58 am)FallentoReason Wrote: We're not talking spiritual gifts at all here.

Yes we are if you took the time to read the Book chapter and verse i left for you, You would have been able to classify all of the gifts Christ mentioned as "Spiritual gifts." As such not all have the same Spiritual gift as per the same Book Chapter and verse.

Quote:Jesus explicitly says that any believer will be able to perform these feats in order to proclaim the glory of God.

The word "Any" does not appear in the orginal texts (http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...JV#conc/17)

nor does it appear in "any" of the four translations I checked.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=NIV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NASB

Want to try again with actual reference material this time?

Quote:What I have been taught by Christians seems to contradict what you see as the truth. 37 000 denomination phenomena.

Then pick up your own bible and read it for yourself. Do not let 37,000 others think for you. find out for yourself.

Quote:If it's 'God inspired' then wouldn't you assume it's infallible?

Nope. Unless God said it was infalliable, then why would we assume so? The bible is not God nor is it to be worshiped as God. (Being perfect or God like in anyway.)

Quote:Otherwise that's saying something about God.

Yes, God is perfect, and unless He says something else is, we have no cause to assume otherwise.

Quote:I said Mark 16:9 onwards. This is the chunk that is known to be added on. It contains the section that says all believers have the ability to heal.

No it doesn't or so says the bible.

Quote:So, once again, what's it going to be? Can miracles really happen

Yes, just not the way you are looking for them to happen.

Quote: or is the book flawed

Yes, Just not how you think it maybe flawed.

Wait-- you don't think the Bible is a perfect word, yet this is the only proof of your god?

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[quote]Assuming that your story is 100% true, what you have here is nothing more than an unexplained cure. And "unexplained" DOES NOT equal "miracle". Maybe one day science will be able to explain how you were cured. What then?[/quote]Then I guess "science" will have to move on to the next "unexplained event" and the next, and the next, and the next, and the next..." As long as i live I continue to walk and talk with God. This keeps adding to the over all total experience that for me demonstrates on going "proof" that God is alive and well in my life. By the time "science" catches up to all that I have witnessed and experienced I will have been long since dead and will have first hand knoweledge at that point anyway.

[quote]And if you want to impress us, please provide one verified instance where a person with a missing limb was prayed for and the limb grew back.[/quote]what about a severed ear?

[quote] Or an instance where a paralyzed person got up and walked after being prayed for.[/quote] These occourances happened all of the time in scripture.

[quote] Or an instance where a person with a missing eye was prayed for and the eye regenerated. Ya got anything like that? [/quote]I don't know if the eye was actually missing but there are a few instances where the blind was made to see again.

[quote]Spontaneous remission is well documented. Why this happens, doctors can't yet explain. But it happens to people regardless of whether or not prayers were offered.[/quote]Do you have proof that "prayer" had nothing to do with the remission? Even if that person did not admit for praying for themselves do you honestly think someone somewhere did not pray for them?

Brother, all cry out when faced with death even if they can not admit it to others.

[quote]
And you know this is true..... how?[/quote]
The bible, Tells me so...

[quote]Nice try at deflection. What you fail to realize is that most of us here (including me) were believers at some point. And we never had any sort of personal experience that would make us think your deity is real. [/quote]I have no doubt that any of you have ever known God. The question is, do you want to, and what price are you willing to pay to get to know Him?

[quote]If this is what you think, you have a poor understanding of science.[/quote]

[quote]I have one more question.... You obviously think "God" cured your disease. Why did he cure you and ignore all those children down at the cancer ward of the local hospital? What makes you so special?[/quote]I Don't know, but I'll be damned if I don't spend my life or rather the extention of life I have been given, in His service trying to pay back what He has seen fit to give to me.

(May 14, 2012 at 9:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Nope. Unless God said it was infalliable, then why would we assume so? The bible is not God nor is it to be worshiped as God. (Being perfect or God like in anyway.)

(May 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible, Tells me so...

This is why I'll never be able to take you seriously.

(May 14, 2012 at 9:37 pm)Annik Wrote: Wait-- you don't think the Bible is a perfect word, yet this is the only proof of your god?

infalliable, no because we are not told it is infalliable. Perfect yes. In that 2tim3:16All Scripture is given by God. And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live. 17 Using the Scriptures, those who serve God will be prepared and will have everything they need to do every good work.

In otherwords the bible does not have to be perfect as only God is perfect. for the bible and it's contents are God's responsiablity to maintain and perserve. Otherwise it is on Him to either Change or confirm texts as He did with the Dead sea scrolls, or simply forgive us for following the only Bible/Holy Book He has authorized.

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(May 14, 2012 at 10:08 pm)Annik Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 9:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Nope. Unless God said it was infalliable, then why would we assume so? The bible is not God nor is it to be worshiped as God. (Being perfect or God like in anyway.)

(May 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible, Tells me so...

This is why I'll never be able to take you seriously.

Be patient and keep reading, or rather reread the last post, for that one was for you.

(May 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm)Drich Wrote: For the bible and it's contents are God's responsiablity to maintain and perserve. Otherwise it is on Him to either Change or confirm texts as He did with the Dead sea scrolls, or simply forgive us for following the only Bible/Holy Book He has authorized.

What a miserable failure he is then.

(May 14, 2012 at 10:19 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 10:17 pm)Drich Wrote: For the bible and it's contents are God's responsiablity to maintain and perserve. Otherwise it is on Him to either Change or confirm texts as He did with the Dead sea scrolls, or simply forgive us for following the only Bible/Holy Book He has authorized.

What a miserable failure he is then.

How so?

(May 14, 2012 at 10:26 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 14, 2012 at 10:19 pm)genkaus Wrote: What a miserable failure he is then.

How so?

He failed miserably at communicating his intentions.