godschild Wrote:[...] yet you would have our government to spend time on a small issue [...]

You're sure as shit right we would. The civil rights and the women's suffrage movements were both considered "small issues" by the majority during their time, but I highly doubt you'd be making similar arguments about them.

I find it funny that you're quick to decry wasting time legalizing gay marriage, but you're all for wasting time outlawing gay marriage; the point here is, you're a bigot. You're a bigot because you're using unemployment as a shield so as to not have to confront the fact that your religion has absolutely nothing to do with your disliking of gay rights, your spiteful hatred of homosexuals does.

And for the record, I'm fairly certain it was your hyper-Christian republican president who fucked up the economy to the point where unemployment is as bad as it is. You are the problem, not us.

(May 15, 2012 at 7:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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(May 15, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Jinkies Wrote: Please don't hide your bigotry behind terrible arguments like this. You know perfectly well why you don't want gay people getting married and it's not because you feel there are more important or prevalent issues to focus on.

Arguments from majority are terrible. The majority of people in the US are white. If non-whites were lacking in some basic right that whites possessed, would that be okay? The majority of US citizens are female. Would it be okay if males in the US lacked the basic rights of females?

For your specific example, we can easily find problems in this country that affect more individuals than unemployment. Does this mean that we should no longer focus on unemployment?

I jokingly mentioned doctors working on curing cancer before, but the comparison actually holds for an argument as fallacious as yours. Should doctors only focus their attention on the single most deadly (or most common, or whatever selector you choose) ailment facing humans today? Very few people die of lyme disease or AIDS compared to cancer. Should we therefore funnel all research into cancer (or the common cold, which just about everyone gets)?

Stand proud with your bigotry. Don't hide behind moronic arguments like, "Eh, we're only fucking over a few million people, it's cool." Just admit that your actual problem with homosexuals is the same as the slogan of the Westboro Baptist Church.

You're so far away from the truth of my life, you do not know me and have no right to judge me as you have, if you dislike what I say fine, judge me when you know me. There are far more pressing issues than gay marriage, yet you would have our government to spend time on a small issue than to help people who are in need, I guess though I should not expect any more from an ungodly person as your self.

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(May 15, 2012 at 7:28 pm)libalchris Wrote: You're right, godschild. Let's just ignore human rights issues and focus on more important ones, because it would really be so fucking difficult to give gays the right to marry. You know, for such an irrelevant issue, North Carolina sure found the time to make sure gays COULDN'T marry.

And I say way to go North Carolina.

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You're a fucking bigot and a hypocrite. You sit there and tell us that there are "far more pressing issues" than gay marriage, and then applaud North Carolina for focusing on this "small issue" rather than "helping people who are in need." As if the government cannot help people in need while giving people the rights they deserve.

Who are you to impose your religious beliefs and bigotry onto individuals by means of law? Who are you to tell two people they can't truly love each other, and therefore shouldn't be given the same legal status as heterosexual couples?

(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not say gays should not have rights, I do not believe they should be able to marry, they have all the rights the rest of us do, except for marriage and the few things that would go along with that.

Hovik Wrote:Except here's the basic issue: marriage is a social right that predates Christianity by quite a lot. You don't have a monopoly on marriage, and your religion has no right to say who can and cannot marry. It's as simple as that. Let's look at what you just said from another perspective, shall we?
"I did not say women should not have rights, I do not believe they should be able to vote, they have all the rights the rest of us do, except for voting and the few things that would go along with that."
See how changing just a few words points out the utter ridiculousness of your argument? Voting and marriage have in common that they're both social rights that are independent of your religion; they both also predate Christianity by a huge margin.

What you did with my statement takes over half the population out of voting. That's not even reasonable to compare with what I said. Let's set something straight, I'm against gay marriage, because it is against the nature of God's idea of marriage.
Marriage does not predate God it is an institution He made, and if you will carefully read Genesis you will see that gays were not included, and were actually punished.

(May 15, 2012 at 6:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why would my concern for the unemployed make me dense, there are many who need to provide for their families, our government needs to concentrate on real problems that effect the many, this would include the gays that are unemployed as well.

Hovik Wrote:Uh, I don't know, perhaps because unemployment has fuck all to do with gay marriage?

Unemployment is a far greater need to deal with, families all across this country need jobs to live, gays do not need marriage to live. Of course you would rather see anything that goes against God's righteousness made law, than to see people who need help get it, now that is what I call truly heartless.



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(May 15, 2012 at 8:04 pm)libalchris Wrote:

(May 15, 2012 at 7:45 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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You're so far away from the truth of my life, you do not know me and have no right to judge me as you have, if you dislike what I say fine, judge me when you know me. There are far more pressing issues than gay marriage, yet you would have our government to spend time on a small issue than to help people who are in need, I guess though I should not expect any more from an ungodly person as your self.

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And I say way to go North Carolina.

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You're a fucking bigot and a hypocrite. You sit there and tell us that there are "far more pressing issues" than gay marriage, and then applaud North Carolina for focusing on this "small issue" rather than "helping people who are in need." As if the government cannot help people in need while giving people the rights they deserve.

Who are you to impose your religious beliefs and bigotry onto individuals by means of law? Who are you to tell two people they can't truly love each other, and therefore shouldn't be given the same legal status as heterosexual couples?

Because God made the institution of marriage, and it does not include gays, and I can say this because it is my lawful right by the Constitution of my country, and the majority of states say no, no, and no.

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(May 15, 2012 at 8:03 pm)Hovik Wrote:

godschild Wrote:[...] yet you would have our government to spend time on a small issue [...]

You're sure as shit right we would. The civil rights and the women's suffrage movements were both considered "small issues" by the majority during their time, but I highly doubt you'd be making similar arguments about them.

I find it funny that you're quick to decry wasting time legalizing gay marriage, but you're all for wasting time outlawing gay marriage; the point here is, you're a bigot. You're a bigot because you're using unemployment as a shield so as to not have to confront the fact that your religion has absolutely nothing to do with your disliking of gay rights, your spiteful hatred of homosexuals does.

And for the record, I'm fairly certain it was your hyper-Christian republican president who fucked up the economy to the point where unemployment is as bad as it is. You are the problem, not us.

No, it was the money grubbing ungodly who screwed up our economy, so by your own definition, yes, it is people like you who are responsible for the shape this country is in.

godschild Wrote:What you did with my statement takes over half the population out of voting. That's not even reasonable to compare with what I said.

Destroying the rights of even a single individual destroys all of our rights. Keeping even a single person from his or her rights is just as bad as keeping us all from them.

godschild Wrote:Let's set something straight, I'm against gay marriage, because it is against the nature of God's idea of marriage. Marriage does not predate God it is an institution He made, and if you will carefully read Genesis you will see that gays were not included, and were actually punished.

Marriage is a social institution, not a religious one. Any argument to the contrary is simply persistence in delusion.

Quote: [...] Unemployment is a far greater need to deal with, families all across this country need jobs to live, gays do not need marriage to live. Of course you would rather see anything that goes against God's righteousness made law, than to see people who need help get it, now that is what I call truly heartless.

Coincidentally, you don't need marriage to survive, either. So, um, we're going to go ahead and take that from you. Gay marriage has nothing to do with our economy, pick a more relevant red herring.

Quote: [...] No, it was the money grubbing ungodly who screwed up our economy, so by your own definition, yes, it is people like you who are responsible for the shape this country is in.

Actually, it was policy and the strain of an unnecessary war. Your bigoted bullshit is unfounded. Do yourself a favor and do some research before you vomit out your uneducated opinions that have no root in fact.

(May 15, 2012 at 8:16 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because God made the institution of marriage, and it does not include gays, and I can say this because it is my lawful right by the Constitution of my country, and the majority of states say no, no, and no.

Yeah, you can say whatever you want to about what you think is "real marriage" Just like you can be a racist and think a certain race is sub-human. What your beliefs are doesn't mean you can enforce them on others. As long as you mentioned the constitution, perhaps reading the first amendment might help you understand that a little better.

For the record, I'd be completely happy replacing the word marriage with the word civil union, so long as the same definition replies to both homosexual and heterosexual couples. Marriage under law is NOT a religious institution, it can't be due to the constitution. It's a social one as hovik said.

godschild Wrote:[...] it is my lawful right by the Constitution of my country [...]

Yeah, and that same Constitution says your religion has to stay out of my legislation. Ergo, your religious beliefs on marriage have no bearing whatsoever on the state's definition of marriage.

In short, fuck you.

(May 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Hovik Wrote:

godschild Wrote:[...] it is my lawful right by the Constitution of my country [...]

Yeah, and that same Constitution says your religion has to stay out of my legislation. Ergo, your religious beliefs on marriage have no bearing whatsoever on the state's definition of marriage.

In short, fuck you.

No, I can and will vote my Godly mind and heart, I've never said that I was forcing my beliefs on anyone, that statement is your's and it's wrong. If gay marriage is to be law the people of this country should decide through the vote. The Constitution does not say my faith has to stay out of legislation, again I will vote my Godly mind and heart and that's my Constitutional right.

(May 16, 2012 at 12:12 am)Godschild Wrote:

(May 15, 2012 at 8:47 pm)Hovik Wrote: Yeah, and that same Constitution says your religion has to stay out of my legislation. Ergo, your religious beliefs on marriage have no bearing whatsoever on the state's definition of marriage.

In short, fuck you.

No, I can and will vote my Godly mind and heart, I've never said that I was forcing my beliefs on anyone, that statement is your's and it's wrong. If gay marriage is to be law the people of this country should decide through the vote. The Constitution does not say my faith has to stay out of legislation, again I will vote my Godly mind and heart and that's my Constitutional right.

In the United States of America, we are a secular state. What that means is we have a separation of church and state. What that means is that your religion has no place in politics. Your "Godly mind and heart" are just bigotry hidden behind religion. Your religion disgusts me anyway.

(May 15, 2012 at 8:32 pm)libalchris Wrote:

(May 15, 2012 at 8:16 pm)Godschild Wrote: Because God made the institution of marriage, and it does not include gays, and I can say this because it is my lawful right by the Constitution of my country, and the majority of states say no, no, and no.

Yeah, you can say whatever you want to about what you think is "real marriage" Just like you can be a racist and think a certain race is sub-human. What your beliefs are doesn't mean you can enforce them on others. As long as you mentioned the constitution, perhaps reading the first amendment might help you understand that a little better.

For the record, I'd be completely happy replacing the word marriage with the word civil union, so long as the same definition replies to both homosexual and heterosexual couples. Marriage under law is NOT a religious institution, it can't be due to the constitution. It's a social one as hovik said.

Where did you get I was a racist, I know it could not be from me, know why, guess what my race is, bro. You are the bigoted one. My attitude towards gays has to do with their chosen life style, as people I have nothing against them. I understand the first amendment well, and it never states that I can not exercise my Godly heart and mind in the way I see fit with in the law.