(May 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: yep and him/his son took three days to re spawn, come on seriously. All mighty my ass unless he got his with major lag.

Well the word sacrifice is already a huge stretch .... they had to keep the godboy "deadish" for at least a few days or people 2000 years ago would've been saying what all of us are saying today: "Sacrifice? What sacrifice?"

Creationism = Pure Freaking Magic
'otherwise my atheist arguements stop working.'

(May 28, 2012 at 12:34 am)Drich Wrote: Creationism = Pure Freaking Magic
'otherwise my atheist arguements stop working.'

I think Science beats Voodoo any day. When was the last time a god turned skin cells into heart cells? because scientists have. And my atheist arguments never stopped working.

(May 28, 2012 at 12:34 am)Drich Wrote: Creationism = Pure Freaking Magic
'otherwise my atheist arguements stop working.'

All you need to do is produce evidence for your alleged sky-daddy. That should not be so hard for a true jesus freak like you. Why not ask your "god" for help in convincing us. Surely, that can't be too much for any god?

'Magic' is associated with demons. It has to do with harnessing power from or moving materials from elsewhere in nature. 'Miracles' are done with no natural power at all, but power from a higher being. I think the word you're looking for is 'Supernatural'. Anything before the universe is not natural and therefore supernatural. In nature, all things have a catalyst. Therefore either the Big Bang had a supernatural catalyst or had no cause at all... which has no empirical support. Pick your poison. Either you believe in the supernatural or you have faith in some principle you do not yet know about.

(May 28, 2012 at 1:26 am)Undeceived Wrote: 'Magic' is associated with demons. It has to do with harnessing power from or moving materials from elsewhere in nature. 'Miracles' are done with no natural power at all, but power from a higher being. I think the word you're looking for is 'Supernatural'.

mag·ic/ˈmajik/
Noun:
The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces.

Nope, no demons mentioned anywhere. But supernatural is included in its definition. Therefore, demons are magic, miracles are magic and your god is magic.

(May 28, 2012 at 1:26 am)Undeceived Wrote: Anything before the universe is not natural and therefore supernatural. In nature, all things have a catalyst. Therefore either the Big Bang had a supernatural catalyst or had no cause at all... which has no empirical support. Pick your poison. Either you believe in the supernatural or you have faith in some principle you do not yet know about.

Your argument refutes itself. Your definition of nature assumes "all things have a catalyst". Therefore, it is not limited to Big-Bang and nature can extend prior to it.

If everything before the universe is not natural, then by definition it does not have a cause. If it is natural, then it has a natural cause and there is no need to invoke supernatural.

Try to use the same words that the rest of us do, buddy.

Making up your own definitions is not going to get you very far.

(May 28, 2012 at 12:42 am)Gooders1002 Wrote:

(May 28, 2012 at 12:34 am)Drich Wrote: Creationism = Pure Freaking Magic
'otherwise my atheist arguements stop working.'

I think Science beats Voodoo any day. When was the last time a god turned skin cells into heart cells? because scientists have. And my atheist arguments never stopped working.

You misunderstand. I am say you will not look at creationism as anything besides pure magic. why it is easier to dismiss if you pair science against magic, rather than looking at science as being the explaination of How god did what he did.

(May 28, 2012 at 3:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Try to use the same words that the rest of us do, buddy.

Making up your own definitions is not going to get you very far.

This all seems very familiar; I believe we've been down this road before. Though I've no doubt we'll do it again.

He sure does work in mysterious ways eh?