(June 6, 2012 at 1:40 am)LiberalHearted Wrote:

(June 6, 2012 at 12:14 am)Drich Wrote: I ask that you look up the word perfection, because not all forms of 'perfection' are static. Perfection can and does incorporate change when needed. Otherwise Man would have never made it out of the garden.

God is perfect, even if He is subject to the same emotions He has allowed us to experience. Just because an emotion is undesirable does not make it any less perfect. True perfection has nothing to do with want desire, or contentment.

Lead us not to "look something" up. This is the beginning.

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/perfect

a : having no mistakes or flaws
b : completely correct or accurate
2 [more perfect; most perfect] : exactly right for a particular purpose, situation, or person
3 always used before a noun : complete and total — used for emphasis

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perfect

a : being entirely without fault or defect : flawless <a perfect diamond>
b : satisfying all requirements : accurate
c : corresponding to an ideal standard or abstract concept <a perfect gentleman>
d : faithfully reproducing the original; specifically : letter-perfect
: expert, proficient <practice makes perfect>
a : pure, total

of course on the second site there is more to be read.

Bold sets your idea of god as defined in a dictionary.

No where does 'change' enter the word perfect.

2 sources.

Emotions are not perfect...read a thread on mental illnesses. Since some of the characteristics of 'mental disease' are not stoic. The DSV IV will give explanations of emotional issues...associated w/other symptoms.

Since emotions are and can be included as mental disease do we now assume god is - Narcissistic? I would say that the followers if asked w/caution not to include god would say yup.

The puter doesn't carry all of the DSM IV but. evidence, best I can find.

http://allpsych.com/disorders/dsm.html

http://allpsych.com/disorders/personalit...ssism.html
"Symptoms

The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life."

Thereby goes your conception of god.

Narcissistic folk (met a few) will never say opps, made a mistake, unless blaming someone else for it....maybe like man? sarcasm intended.

So dictionary and the DSM IV comes forward as evidence.

No wonder xtians say Never question god.

allow me to offer some clarity:
Dictionary.com

per·fect
   [adj., n. pur-fikt; v. per-fekt] Show IPA

adjective
1.
conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type: a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman.

2.
excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement: There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect.

3.
exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose: a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes.
4.
entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings: a perfect apple; the perfect crime.

5.
accurate, exact, or correct in every detail: a perfect copy.

From the WHOLE Merriam-Webster defination

1per·fect
adj \ˈpər-fikt\







Definition of PERFECT



1

a: being entirely without fault or defect : flawless <a perfect diamond> b: satisfying all requirements : accurate c: corresponding to an ideal standard or abstract concept <a perfect gentleman> d: faithfully reproducing the original; specifically: letter-perfect e: legally valid


2

: expert, proficient <practice makes perfect>


3

a: pure, total b: lacking in no essential detail : complete cobsolete: sane d: absolute, unequivocal <enjoys perfect happiness> e: of an extreme kind : unmitigated <a perfect brat> <an act of perfect foolishness>


4

obsolete: mature


5

: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form or verbal that expresses an action or state completed at the time of speaking or at a time spoken of

6

obsolete a: certain, sure b: contented, satisfied


7

of a musical interval: belonging to the consonances unison, fourth, fifth, and octave which retain their character when inverted and when raised or lowered by a half step become augmented or diminished


8

a: sexually mature and fully differentiated <a perfect insect> b: having both stamens and pistils in the same flower <a perfect flower>

Here are two examples that underscore my assertion that you have seemed to over looked in your dishonest efforts to represent this word. I originally said that not every example of the word is static. Meaning perfection or the understanding of it can change. The two bold definition provided suggest that perfection or parameters that define the state of perfection can indeed change.

(June 6, 2012 at 2:07 am)Drich Wrote: allow me to offer some clarity:
Dictionary.com

per·fect    [adj., n. pur-fikt; v. per-fekt] Show IPA

adjective
1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type: a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman.

2. excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement: There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect.

3. exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose: a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes.

4. entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings: a perfect apple; the perfect crime.

5. accurate, exact, or correct in every detail: a perfect copy.

From the WHOLE Merriam-Webster defination
1per·fect
adj \ˈpər-fikt\

Definition of PERFECT
1 a: being entirely without fault or defect : flawless <a perfect diamond> b: satisfying all requirements : accurate c: corresponding to an ideal standard or abstract concept <a perfect gentleman> d: faithfully reproducing the original; specifically: letter-perfect e: legally valid
2: expert, proficient <practice makes perfect>

3 a: pure, total b: lacking in no essential detail : complete obsolete: sane d: absolute, unequivocal <enjoys perfect happiness> e: of an extreme kind : unmitigated <a perfect brat> <an act of perfect foolishness>

4 obsolete: mature

5: of, relating to, or constituting a verb form or verbal that expresses an action or state completed at the time of speaking or at a time spoken of

6 obsolete a: certain, sure b: contented, satisfied

7 of a musical interval: belonging to the consonances unison, fourth, fifth, and octave which retain their character when inverted and when raised or lowered by a half step become augmented or diminished

8 a: sexually mature and fully differentiated <a perfect insect> b: having both stamens and pistils in the same flower <a perfect flower>

Here are two examples that underscore my assertion that you have seemed to over looked in your dishonest efforts to represent this word. I originally said that not every example of the word is static. Meaning perfection or the understanding of it can change. The two bold definition provided suggest that perfection or parameters that define the state of perfection can indeed change.

Where in the bible iis god an adjective?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/adjective

Definition of ADJECTIVE
1: of, relating to, or functioning as an adjective <an adjective clause>
2: not standing by itself : dependent
3: requiring or employing a mordant <adjective dyes>
4: procedural <adjective law>
— ad·jec·tive·ly adverb

Origin of ADJECTIVE
Middle English, from Anglo-French or Late Latin; Anglo-French adjectif, from Late Latin adjectivus, from Latin adjectus, past participle of adjicere to throw to, from ad- + jacere to throw — more at jet
First Known Use: 14th century
Other Grammar and Linguistics Terms

ablaut, allusion, anacoluthon, diacritic, gerund, idiom, infinitive, metaphor, semiotics, simile

Now what does it's entire say about obsolete? Music and insects?

Let's take the verb. (as verb form)

Definition of VERB
: a word that characteristically is the grammatical center of a predicate and expresses an act, occurrence, or mode of being, that in various languages is inflected for agreement with the subject, for tense, for voice, for mood, or for aspect, and that typically has rather full descriptive meaning and characterizing quality but is sometimes nearly devoid of these especially when used as an auxiliary or linking verb
— verb·less adjective
See verb defined for English-language learners »
See verb defined for kids »
Origin of VERB
Middle English verbe, from Anglo-French, from Latin verbum word, verb — more at word
First Known Use: 14th century
Other Grammar and Linguistics Terms
ablaut, allusion, anacoluthon, diacritic, gerund, idiom, infinitive, metaphor, semiotics, simile

doesn't include verbal which is said, spoken that brings us to who did god speak to about this whole book known as the bible?

Origin of PERFECT
Middle English parfit, from Anglo-French, from Latin perfectus, from past participle of perficere to carry out, perfect, from per- thoroughly + facere to make, do — more at do
First Known Use: 14th century

ah and 14th century origins of the term perfect.

Quote: Which catholic doctrines 'reinforce alot of the atheist views of God'?

Where do you want to start?

Um, atheist view of "god" is usually along the lines of "con-men made it up to fool idiots like you." I was a catholic many moons ago and I can't remember the fuckers ever saying anything remotely like that.

(June 6, 2012 at 1:56 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(June 6, 2012 at 1:29 am)Godschild Wrote: God created the universe for His pleasure, simple really.

Ha, guess Thor's hypothesis wasn't too far off then.

No, Thor hasn't a clue.

(June 5, 2012 at 7:11 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I believe it's due to benevolence. He created out of grace and love. As for why the world seems so messed up, I believe it's designed to bring about heroic hearts.

Why do you believe this?

(June 6, 2012 at 1:29 am)Godschild Wrote: God created the universe for His pleasure, simple really.

So when this thing gets bored of the cosmos, when reality no longer gives him any joy or satisfaction, he'll destroy it?

(June 5, 2012 at 3:42 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Pretty simple question that I've never gotten an answer to while I was a Christian. For what reason did God create the universe? Did he have a reason? Did he need to create the universe?

.. to get to the other side?

.. to keep up with the other gods who were all into creating universes?

.. bad dream?

.. He didn't, it was man who invented an inventor for the universe.

(June 5, 2012 at 4:25 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Love gives and never ceases giving.

What a bunch of New Age pseudo-Christian bunk.

You know, you should read your Bible sometime. There are a lot more verses than John 3:16. True Christians ™ like me read the whole thing so we understand the "love" of our Lord in context.

The upshot is Jesus' love for us is much like that of a wife-beater. He loves us all. He really does. But we so worthless, such sinners and we really don't deserve his love. So if he casts us into Hell and tortures us, it's because we deserve it or did something to provoke his righteous wrath. Praise! In any even, he asks so little of us. All he wants is for us to love him at all times, do everything he wants and praise him constantly despite the mess of things he makes on this earth. And he doesn't want any undivided attention. Like any good wife-beater, he seeks to isolate us from friends and family. This way, there is no distraction from our unending and exclusive devotion to him. Neither is there any support structure available that might allow us to leave his wonderful abusive love and seek any independence.

Luke 14:26

Praise the sweet name of Jesus!
And thank you Lord for not flinging me into the sadistic Hell you created! Amen!

(June 5, 2012 at 3:42 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Pretty simple question that I've never gotten an answer to while I was a Christian. For what reason did God create the universe? Did he have a reason?

He created the world to live in communion with him.

Quote:Did he need to create the universe?

No, he wanted to.

(June 6, 2012 at 3:37 pm)BeeDeePee Wrote:

(June 5, 2012 at 3:42 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Pretty simple question that I've never gotten an answer to while I was a Christian. For what reason did God create the universe? Did he have a reason?

He created the world to live in communion with him.

Quote:Did he need to create the universe?

No, he wanted to.

So he was lonely? Having been around, appearently alone, forever, what pushed him over the edge at the exact moment of genesis?

No. God is the Holy Trinity and can not be alone.

Creation of the world is just a sign of his love.