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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 9, 2012 at 6:02 pm
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(June 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 5:48 am)Gaest Wrote: Screw this, I´ll just stay in my grave 
That's not an option.
Actually....it is. You can be buried, cremated, thrown into the ocean or have your ashes flown into space.
My choice is to be cremated by having my body on a Viking long boat and having it sent out to sea and set on fire. 
Oh wait, you're talking about some made up afterlife......
Oops.....
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 9, 2012 at 6:54 pm
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The dead have no options GC, of course, you could always demonstrate that this statement is incorrect...but you wont, because it isn't.
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 9, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I've decided to be scattered over Parliament House from a small plane, while it is in session. Don't want to be cremated though.. 
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 9, 2012 at 10:37 pm
(June 9, 2012 at 10:46 am)Welsh cake Wrote: ]Because everyone has their own idea of Heaven, obviously. Just like every theist has their own unique concept or mental construct of a deity.
My 'heaven', is the inevitability of this chaotic nightmare of existence ending, and re-embracing the peaceful bliss of eternal oblivion. Does every theist? The Heaven of Christianity is pretty well defined I think.
Quote:Then its not possible to suffer in its presence. Neither it is possible to escape its presence if the being is omnipresent.
Logically, if the omni-benevolent omnipresent god is real, hell cannot exist in any shape, state or form.
First of all, "omni-benevolent" is not a word that ever is used to apply to Christianity, even though athiests love that term. Is God benevolent toward evil?
But no, you can remove yourself from God (aka love) on that emotional level, rejecting him in your heart (aka Hell). That is what causes suffering.
Quote:You'll have to quit this platonic love nonsense and finally accept you're part of an evil cult that believes in an evil tyrannical deity portrayed in the immoral Bible I'm afraid. Not that you ever will of course. Without the fear of sin or the threat of hell, you have nothing.
Lol what? This post suddenly took a very weird turn. It seems like you are projecting.
Quote:The annihilatists would disagree with you. You do not speak for them. They assert god is too merciful to allow the godless to exist in perpetual suffering and sin for eternity, so effectively, puts them out of their misery.
Plenty of people would "disagree" with me. I am not talking to an annihilationist right now, but if I were I would tell them. "Do what I say or I will kill you" is a non-choice, at least within traditional Christianity.
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 10, 2012 at 12:28 am
(June 7, 2012 at 1:15 am)Aiza Wrote: This meditation is from the first sermon of His Eminence Blessed John Henry Newman ("Holiness Necessary for Future Blessedness"), given when he was only 25 years old, which made me think a bit of some of the points mentioned in this forum. Hopefully it doesn't come off as too preachy, rather I think its just thoughtful:
....even supposing a man of unholy life were suffered to enter heaven, he would not be happy there; so that it would be no mercy to permit him to enter....
Supposing, then, instead of it being said that no irreligious man could serve and attend on God in heaven (or see Him, as the text expresses it), we were told that no irreligious man could worship, or spiritually see Him in church; should we not at once perceive the meaning of the doctrine? viz. that, were a man to come hither, who had suffered his mind to grow up in its own way, as nature or chance determined, without any deliberate habitual effort after truth and purity, he would find no real pleasure here, but would soon get weary of the place; because, in this house of God, he would hear only of that one subject which he cared little or nothing about, and nothing at all of those things which excited his hopes and fears, his sympathies and energies. If then a man without religion (supposing it possible) were admitted into heaven, doubtless he would sustain a great disappointment. Before, indeed, he fancied that he could be happy there; but when he arrived there, he would find no discourse but that which he had shunned on earth, no pursuits but those he had disliked or despised, nothing which bound him to aught else in the universe, and made him feel at home, nothing which he could enter into and rest upon. He would perceive himself to be an isolated being, cut away by Supreme Power from those objects which were still entwined around his heart. Nay, he would be in the presence of that Supreme Power, whom he never on earth could bring himself steadily to think upon, and whom now he regarded only as the destroyer of all that was precious and dear to him. Ah! he could not bear the face of the Living God; the Holy God would be no object of joy to him. "Let us alone! What have we to do with thee?" is the sole thought and desire of unclean souls, even while they acknowledge His majesty. None but the holy can look upon the Holy One; without holiness no man can endure to see the Lord.
I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to be evidence of something?
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 10, 2012 at 12:52 am
(June 10, 2012 at 12:28 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to be evidence of something? As far as I can tell it's supposed to show how God is merciful, because we'd actually be miserable in heaven. At least that's what I was taught by my teachers in high school.
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 10, 2012 at 12:54 am
(June 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 5:48 am)Gaest Wrote: Screw this, I´ll just stay in my grave
That's not an option.
Guess we don't have free will then.
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 10, 2012 at 1:00 am
(June 10, 2012 at 12:52 am)libalchris Wrote: (June 10, 2012 at 12:28 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I'm a bit confused. Is this supposed to be evidence of something? As far as I can tell it's supposed to show how God is merciful, because we'd actually be miserable in heaven. At least that's what I was taught by my teachers in high school.
I think the OP needs to actually prove the existence of god before they start going on about the nature of it.
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 10, 2012 at 1:06 am
(June 10, 2012 at 12:54 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 5:45 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's not an option.
Guess we don't have free will then.
You missed where he said something along the lines of "not if you're in hell you don't."
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RE: What Heaven is Like
June 10, 2012 at 1:13 am
"When I die, fuck it I wanna go to hell
Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell
It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit the goodie-goodies
Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies
God will probably have me on some real strict shit
No sleepin' all day, no gettin my dick licked
Hangin' with the goodie-goodies loungin' in paradise
Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice"
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