If I read the article right, in that situation, I would probably leave the guy in such a bloody pulp that there was no need for an ambulance, just a coroner. Irrational as it may be, in the heat of the moment, i.e. there is no plan, why should he be prosecuted?

This thread is going on tangents, sometimes never clear. Does this case sets a precedent so that doing justice by own hands is acceptable? No, why should it? But in this case there was no judgement, just a father protecting his child. In the end its the abused child that will suffer more than the guy that was abusing her.

"THE POINT IS that since our system is not perfect, the last thing we should be basing our reactions on are our emotions, NO MATTER WHAT THE CHARGE."

Brian, this ain't the planet Vulcan, and there is a difference in the books as a result between crimes of passion and crimes of premeditation.

(June 25, 2012 at 8:10 am)LastPoet Wrote: There goes another thread

Yes, poor Brian,it must be a real burden knowing everything.

Quote:Well, one could call it torture.

Sshhh, Shel. If you do that the republicans will write it into the CIA's training manuals.

Brian, you can't bust into a conversation where people are talking about a specific case and then reply to a person who is talking about a single case as if that person were talking about every case and then state that you are talking about every case. Well, apparently you can, but I'm not going to be able to follow you. You just strawmanned me to hell and back because you seem to think that everyone should follow the leader wherever he may go. I was interested in discussing the topic at hand. Yes, conversations evolve, but you have to, I don't know, stick to responding to those who have evolved the conversation with you or risk responding to a poster with strawmen. Now, I would appreciate it if you read my posts before responding to them and only attributed things I actually said to me. That is my biggest pet peeve. I have had "I don't agree with that" turn into "You're a hateful stuck up bitch" and "I think that was self defense" turn into "You dance on people's graves." I'm a little exhausted at all of the pretend conversations going on here.

(June 26, 2012 at 8:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: Brian, you can't bust into a conversation where people are talking about a specific case and then reply to a person who is talking about a single case as if that person were talking about every case and then state that you are talking about every case. Well, apparently you can, but I'm not going to be able to follow you. You just strawmanned me to hell and back because you seem to think that everyone should follow the leader wherever he may go. I was interested in discussing the topic at hand. Yes, conversations evolve, but you have to, I don't know, stick to responding to those who have evolved the conversation with you or risk responding to a poster with strawmen. Now, I would appreciate it if you read my posts before responding to them and only attributed things I actually said to me. That is my biggest pet peeve. I have had "I don't agree with that" turn into "You're a hateful stuck up bitch" and "I think that was self defense" turn into "You dance on people's graves." I'm a little exhausted at all of the pretend conversations going on here.

Oh boy, really?

I do read them, not agreeing with me does not mean I don't read them. And I defy you to quote me where I called you a "hateful stuck up bitch", those were YOUR WORDS not mine. So if anyone is sticking words in others mouths they didn't say, it would be you, not me.

And again I AGREE WITH SELF DEFENSE . I don't agree with a collective society fostering a "get even" mentality as a default. Long term it is bad for the collective rights of all.

You are disagreeing with things I never said, hence why I say you are not bothering to read my posts. As for the hateful stuckup bitch thing, read that in context. I did not say that you called me that. I was pointing out how tiresome it gets to have "debates" with people who take what you say and run it all the way up the fucking river into lala land. So, nah, it's still you putting shit in other people's mouths. Well, more accurately, just arguing words that aren't there.

Well, bully for you. I never disagreed with that or really said much about the overall revenge thing, other than to say it is bad, in this thread, so re-read it and calm your nuts.

FYI, all caps is unnecessary. I can read lowercase letters.

(June 26, 2012 at 9:40 pm)Shell B Wrote: You are disagreeing with things I never said, hence why I say you are not bothering to read my posts. As for the hateful stuckup bitch thing, read that in context. I did not say that you called me that. I was pointing out how tiresome it gets to have "debates" with people who take what you say and run it all the way up the fucking river into lala land. So, nah, it's still you putting shit in other people's mouths. Well, more accurately, just arguing words that aren't there.

Well, bully for you. I never disagreed with that or really said much about the overall revenge thing, other than to say it is bad, in this thread, so re-read it and calm your nuts.

FYI, all caps is unnecessary. I can read lowercase letters.

Unless I touched upon a nerve there would be no reason to equate my position to even your "metaphor" of running all the way of ALLEGEDLY equating you as to being "hateful stuck up bitch", which you now admit I was not calling you that.

I simply stuck a mirror to you, and not only you but ANYONE reading this who has a NATURAL reaction to a real event that no one likes, and suggesting that evidence is always a far better climate for a society than "getting even".