Gambit Wrote:I am God!!! Why doesn't anyone believe in me? Myself, oh myself, what have I done?

Mister Agenda Wrote:If it makes you feel any better, I consider your posts as credible as any other revelations of God that I'm aware of.

My point exactly. There is no more evidence that any of the historical claimed Gods exist than there is that I am God. The position, as it would appear, is open for filling.

(July 12, 2012 at 1:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: Not when it's the truth about someone, wouldn't you agree. If we are to assume that being judgmental is your above statement then why do you not tell others they are being judgmental when they call me much worse things that are not true.

So slow. The difference is that I don't believe in the deity that proclaims one shouldn't judge or condemn. You do.

"Not when it's the truth about someone, wouldn't you agree", I do agree, but the inconvenient thing for you is that your godboy doesn't.

(July 11, 2012 at 9:46 pm)Drich Wrote: So drowning babies is "good" as long as your deity wills it?

Quote:Drowning, smashing them against stones, putting them to the sword.

This is the exact same mindset that caused lunatics to fly planes full of people into buildings full of people on 9/11.

Disgusting.

So, basically, your god can do no wrong! What kind of standard is that?

Quote:Unfortunaltly morality is not really the absolute standard you have made it out to be.

Where did I say morality was absolute? It isn't. I would just expect better than drowning babies from a deity that supposedly loves us. But since you brought it up... can you think of an occasion when drowning babies would ever be the right thing to do?

Quote:My 'deity' knows no one is 'innocent'

Oh, bullshit! What could a newborn possibly have done that would justify drowning it?

Quote:and knew who those babies would grow up to be.

So every baby that was drowned during the flood would have grown up to be evil? Keep in mind that this includes EVERY BABY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. And your argument is pathetic. This deity drowns babies because supposedly "he knew who they would grow up to be", and yet he allowed Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson and millions of other psychopathic killers to grow up and destroy lives.

Quote:Doesn't God being 'All knowing' have the responsiablity to eliminate any one person or group of people who would destroy this world/His plans for this world?

I would say he has the responsibility to eliminate any person or group of persons who would kill innocents and destroy property. So, apparently, your deity was more worried about killing babies than preventing Hitler from causing a worldwide conflagration and committing genocide.

Quote:Million if not billions more kids where cherrished love and looked after because Christian parents 'claimed God told them to watch after their children.' And unlike your 'claim' Their's is backed by actual scripture.

Oh, please. Like parents need to be told by some deity that they should watch after their children. Baboons watch after their young ones.

Quote:Actually no. All 'visions' must first be filtered through the expressed will of God.

And I'm sure if you determined that your vision was "the expressed will of Gawd", you would be ready to plunge the knife into your kid's midsection.

Quote:We don't get stem cells by killing children.

Quote:Calling unborn children by another name does not change their genius or Species.

It's true that calling unborn children by another name doesn't make them smarter. However, we do not get stem cells from unborn children. We get them from fertilized embryos. Calling them children or babies doesn't make them so.

Quote:Oh, the Irony/Hyprocrisy here. You rant about the philosiphical implications of completely yeilding to God and even go so far as parade out a limric to support you idea of what is 'right'

You obviously have no idea of what a "limric" (sic) is. FYI, they usually go something like this:

There once was twit named Hood
who said, "My book contains everything good!"
But the pages have filling,
like slavery, incest and killing.
Piss on his book! Yes, we should!

I'm sure you'll agree that what I posted was not a limerick.

Quote:To perserve the rights of babies, and yet all you or your morality need to do is change what a baby is called, and then you can justify anything you wish to do to them. If God commanded 10,000 no 100,000 babies to be smashed against stones, drown, or put to the sword, and He is called wicked. How much more wicked is the generation who put millions of babies to death under the banner of "planned parenthood?" And all they had to do to square this slaughter is renamed an unborn baby a fetus (Which is latin for unborn baby.) Yet God is the one being called evil, for bring these children home. Judge not lest you be judged in the same way you've seen fit to judge others.. If you are a supporter of harvesting stem cells from murdered babies or if you support the right to eliminate an unwanted baby, then perhaps YOU might want to take it easy on judgeing God for the act of killing babies in the name of an act that you think is intrinsically wrong.

And here we have the anti-abortion screed I was expecting. Yawn.

Quote:Because even if the bible is very clear and say "x" is a sin and "Y" is not some people still may have doubts about "Y" therfore for them it is a sin to do "Y."

This makes no sense. This like the law saying "It is permissable to drive through a green light, but it is not permissable to drive through a red light". And people have doubts about driving through a green light, so they won't drive through one.

Huh?

If your Babble is "very clear" there would be no doubt.

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[quote]This is the exact same mindset that caused lunatics to fly planes full of people into buildings full of people on 9/11. [/quote]Exactly! But on the otherside of the same coin it has people giving of themselves above and beyond the 'moral standard' in which they live. The type of faith and loyity it takes to fly a plan into a build is not inhearently evil. Even by your standard. It is the act of flying planes into buildings, and killing the innocent that is an evil act. For if that very same devotion is applied to feeding the hungery in africa or protecting babies from a blood thirsty god then one is commended for his works of Faith. as it is God calls us to protect all children. something more than this 'moral' soceity can say.

[quote]Disgusting.[/quote]
So is hyprocrisy mixed with a strong dose of self righteousness.

[quote]So, basically, your god can do no wrong! What kind of standard is that?[/quote]God's perfect Standard of Righteousness.

[quote]Where did I say morality was absolute?[/quote]When you decided it was your lot to judge all who fall short of your standard of Morality.

[quote] It isn't.[/quote]
Well maybe you should apply this truth to your philosphy of judgeing all who do not share your morality.

[quote] I would just expect better than drowning babies from a deity that supposedly loves us.[/quote]Again,and Again God does not 'love' all of us.

[quote] But since you brought it up... can you think of an occasion when drowning babies would ever be the right thing to do?[/quote]It would be never ok for me to think of an occasion to drown any person According to Scripture. Matter of fact I would be obligated to save someone being drown even if it meant my life.

[quote]Oh, bullshit! What could a newborn possibly have done that would justify drowning it?[/quote]It's not just about what a baby would do, but what other may do to that baby.

[quote]So every baby that was drowned during the flood would have grown up to be evil?[/quote]All men grow up to be evil. Appearently that generation would have literally destroyed man kind.

[quote] Keep in mind that this includes EVERY BABY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. And your argument is pathetic.[/quote] The babies being born to women were not all human babies. The Greeks called them Demi gods. Moses called them 'Men of Great renoun." They were the offspring of the Fallen angels/demons and women. The rest of the world's popultrion worshiped them as Gods or were being preyed upon by these 'gods.' This is why I believe there is truth in "mythology.'

Plus if you take my interpertation of the creation account into consideration. Not all men living/babies being born were made in the image of God.
(Born with a soul/decendants of Adam) All of the 'Monkey Men' died when the earth was flooded as well.

[quote]This deity drowns babies because supposedly "he knew who they would grow up to be", and yet he allowed Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson and millions of other psychopathic killers to grow up and destroy lives. [/quote]So imagine the evil monsters He saw fit to destroy.

[quote]I would say he has the responsibility to eliminate any person or group of persons who would kill innocents and destroy property. So, apparently, your deity was more worried about killing babies than preventing Hitler from causing a worldwide conflagration and committing genocide.[/quote]You didnot even have any idea what was even on the planet being destroyed at the time of the flood, (Till just now) let alone what havoc and terror the offspring of Demons would unleash upon Humanity/This world.

[quote]Oh, please. Like parents need to be told by some deity that they should watch after their children. Baboons watch after their young ones. [/quote]Have you never seen a discovery chanel documentry on Any of the primates? the babies are killed when ever there is a change in the heriarchy. If an alpha who has several littles ones is taken ill or killed then the new alpha kills all of his little kids.

[quote]And I'm sure if you determined that your vision was "the expressed will of Gawd", you would be ready to plunge the knife into your kid's midsection. [/quote]This can only be determined by filtering the new 'revelation' through the bible. You are confusing biblical Christianity with the religions of Joseph Smith and Muhammad. It is because of foolish men like smith and muhammad that we know for sure that God is not the only 'being' who reaches out and speaks to us. The Only insureance we have is to cross Everything with scripture first. Everything God is Going to say to man has already been recorded somewhere between Genesis and Revelations. Their are no 'New revelations/testaments.'

[quote]It's true that calling unborn children by another name doesn't make them smarter. However, we do not get stem cells from unborn children. We get them from fertilized embryos. Calling them children or babies doesn't make them so. [/quote]
Nothing else need be said.

[quote]You obviously have no idea of what a "limric" (sic) is. FYI, they usually go something like this:

There once was twit named Hood
who said, "My book contains everything good!"
But the pages have filling,
like slavery, incest and killing.
Piss on his book! Yes, we should!

I'm sure you'll agree that what I posted was not a limerick.[/quote]This is what happens when semi educated people can no longer argue topical content. They attack anything elses.

[quote]And here we have the anti-abortion screed I was expecting. Yawn.[/quote]
Again a complete avoidance of topical content. Just because you claim to have predicted something does not mean you can so easily dismiss it. If anything it should have given you enough time to construct a well balanced and insightful counter arguement. yet for all of your insight all you have done is attack my understanding of poetery, and yawned... At a point by point discussion point out a blantent ignorance, or blinding hyprocrisy.

If I were reduced to pointing out a misidentification of poetry and 'yawning' as an attemp of dismissal it would mean I had nothing better to say. That i could not mount a defense even if i desperatly wanted to. Probably because I was caught so off Gaurd. It may have even compelled me to say/claim the oppsite, (Of being caught off gaurd) in the feebal hope of making my attacker feel intimadated by my powers of perception and skill as a Master, Debater.. If that were me.. But it's you and not me so... I guess you win.


[quote]This makes no sense. This like the law saying "It is permissable to drive through a green light, but it is not permissable to drive through a red light". And people have doubts about driving through a green light, so they won't drive through one.

Huh?

If your Babble is "very clear" there would be no doubt.[/quote]
Did you read the passage I left?

Paul said it was not a sin to eat meat offered to idols and then explains why. But even so, there were many who thought it to be a sin. So because they could not 'By Faith' eat the meat in Good conscience, for them it was a sin. Not only that to cause them in some way to eat this meat they thought to be sinfull was a sin on the one who cause the weaker brother to stumble.

In short. Our actions have no intrinsic value. The act of eating, Killing, Sex, lying, ect, ect.. Is not right or wrong in of itself. What makes it right or wrong is God's identification of the Context in which these actions are deemed sin or premitted. God creates the value of the deed or identifies the sin. the act in of itself has no value unless God deems it so.

Drich, unless you can prove there were ever demon babies you are simply making weak excuses to defend that which is indefensible. You're basically using the argument of "They would have grown up evil, in a fallen world.", and preempting the response, "But if God had taken the babies away and saved them they wouldn't have been influenced by the evil adults.", and then tweaking it to fit by adding that the babies were demons, so they had to be slaughtered. Don't you ever once question how many allowances you have to make for your God? Actually, I don't even want to hear your answer because I know it's just going to be more mental gymnastics.

scumbags Wrote:...agape blah blah...

I would rather show mercy myself than seek for revenge. I used to think that the latter was desirable, but it is just not the way to build a better society. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

(July 9, 2012 at 11:47 pm)cato123 Wrote:

(July 9, 2012 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Please explain.

Explain? Not that I haven't already, but for Fuck's sake! Imagine a big sucking sound, that's me inhaling the nitrogen laden gaseous body we call air in order to get the next paragraph out in a single breathe.

A jewish minx fucks around on her fiance, needs a good alibi and tells Joseph that God knocked her up. Joseph looked around and realized that his aunts and uncles could only produce males; therefore, no ass in the immediate future (my take on proceedings, Joseph isn't so gullible to believe the God bullshit so my version is likely closer to the truth). They travel on an ass to a census that never took place in order to stay at the only accomodations that Joseph could afford. Jesus was thrust into the world and immediately got swept off to Egypt to avoid a toddler purge that also never took place. Thirty years later Jesus shows back up spouting inane bullshit in order to keep himself alive; trades food and drink for story...he's a tiresome bard. He also collects a bunch of losers that the good folk also have to feed. Sounds like Joseph Smith, but I digress. Jesus has some good ideas RIPS OFF SOME GOOD IDEAS FROM THE BUDDHA AND SOME OTHER EASTERN SAGES, but tells everyone that not a law will change until the Earth disappears (his words, not mine). Fulfill doesn't mean complete or satisfy, particularly in light of Isaiah, nor what Christ is purported to have claimed. It's not until Paul that ignoring the rules is acceptable in the growing Church.

Whew! In short, you have the option of following Christ or Paul. The contradiction is plain, choose one.

fixed that for ya.

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(July 12, 2012 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 12, 2012 at 2:25 pm)JohnDG Wrote: (The biggest disgrace to humanity is somebody who claims to be a follower of christ but chooses to ignore his teachings and refuse to live life in his likeness. Thank you for showing your true colors I guess you were just a demon like the rest of us. Here is the list you asked me for before.)...

That's all you got?

.. bleats Monty Python's now-quadriplegic Black Knight...

(July 12, 2012 at 8:25 pm)Drich Wrote: as it is God calls us to protect all children. something more than this 'moral' soceity can say.

Your deity supposedly calls upon us to protect all children. Yet he drowns them by the truckload. He also allows pregnant women to miscarry. How many "children" (by your definition) does this kill every year? Your deity is the greatest abortionist of all!

Quote:So, basically, your god can do no wrong! What kind of standard is that?

Quote:God's perfect Standard of Righteousness.

Then how do you even know this deity is really "God"? How do you know Satan didn't really write the Babble and he has tricked you into worshipping him? Because the acts committed by your deity would make more sense if they were done by an evil entity.

Quote: I would just expect better than drowning babies from a deity that supposedly loves us.

Quote:Again,and Again God does not 'love' all of us.

Not what other believers have told me.

Quote: But since you brought it up... can you think of an occasion when drowning babies would ever be the right thing to do?

Quote:It would be never ok for me to think of an occasion to drown any person According to Scripture. Matter of fact I would be obligated to save someone being drown even if it meant my life.

Not even if this deity appeared before you and commanded you to drown your children?

Quote:Oh, bullshit! What could a newborn possibly have done that would justify drowning it?

Quote:It's not just about what a baby would do, but what other may do to that baby.

What? This doesn't even make sense.

Quote:So every baby that was drowned during the flood would have grown up to be evil?

Quote:All men grow up to be evil.

Bullshit. Everyone does things they shouldn't do. This doesn't necessarily make you "evil". Was Mother Theresa "evil"?

Quote: Appearently that generation would have literally destroyed man kind.

And here we have the mental gymnastics to justify why your deity would kill babies, toddlers and innocents. Hitler spread terror and came pretty close to destroying an entire continent. But this wasn't even worthy of your deity's attention.

Quote: Keep in mind that this includes EVERY BABY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. And your argument is pathetic.

Quote:The babies being born to women were not all human babies.

I am truly speechless.

Quote: The Greeks called them Demi gods. Moses called them 'Men of Great renoun." They were the offspring of the Fallen angels/demons and women. The rest of the world's popultrion worshiped them as Gods or were being preyed upon by these 'gods.'

And your evidence for this steaming pile of manure is.....?

Quote:All of the 'Monkey Men' died when the earth was flooded as well.

Please join us in the 21st century. I think you'll like it here.

Quote:This deity drowns babies because supposedly "he knew who they would grow up to be", and yet he allowed Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson and millions of other psychopathic killers to grow up and destroy lives.

Quote:So imagine the evil monsters He saw fit to destroy.

So because horribly evil people were allowed to exist and create untold carnage, the people your deity supposedly destroyed must have been much worse? Wow. Just.... wow.

Quote:You didnot even have any idea what was even on the planet being destroyed at the time of the flood,

Please provide evidence that this "flood" really happened. Otherwise, everything you say in reference to it can be ignored.

Quote:let alone what havoc and terror the offspring of Demons would unleash upon Humanity/This world.

More unsubstantiated bullshit.

Quote:Have you never seen a discovery chanel documentry on Any of the primates? the babies are killed when ever there is a change in the heriarchy. If an alpha who has several littles ones is taken ill or killed then the new alpha kills all of his little kids.

So what? The baboon mothers take care of their offspring. That is the point. And they don't need a deity to tell them to do so.

Quote:And here we have the anti-abortion screed I was expecting. Yawn.

Quote:Again a complete avoidance of topical content.

This thread is not about abortion and I don't want it to get pulled in that direction. But since you insist on bringing it up...

Would you allow a raped woman to gat an abortion if the rape resulted in a pregnancy? Because if you say yes, then you're allowing an innocent unborn child to be killed (according to what you stated earlier). If you say no, you are condemning an innocent woman to go through with a pregnancy she neither wanted nor did anything to initiate.

So which is it?

(July 13, 2012 at 5:28 am)Gambit Wrote: Drich, unless you can prove there were ever demon babies you are simply making weak excuses to defend that which is indefensible.

Seriously? So you are willing to use the bible to establish their was a flood, (One that you claim their is no evidence for) Yet you refuse to use the very same bible to establish the reason for the Flood.

Are you pretending to be... Onstinate? or are you seriously this... Obstinate and did not understand the paradox in logic you just created for yourself.

Quote:You're basically using the argument of "They would have grown up evil, in a fallen world.", and preempting the response, "But if God had taken the babies away and saved them they wouldn't have been influenced by the evil adults.", and then tweaking it to fit by adding that the babies were demons, so they had to be slaughtered. Don't you ever once question how many allowances you have to make for your God? Actually, I don't even want to hear your answer because I know it's just going to be more mental gymnastics.

Appearently you consider 'logical thought' to be too much of an acrobatic excersize. So their is nothing more for me to say to you untill you clean up this 'challenge.'