Quote:Because if He did then your ablity to choose your eternal fate goes out the window

What consent or say(according to this special pleeding you claim is reality) did you have in setting up this game?

If you had no say in this set up, then you are a pawn, toy, lab rat, or property.

The point is that you fell for a super hero. And once you buy any claim that those above you, be your parents, law inforcement, politicians, celebreties, or god claims, are above you, you are no longer autonomous and can have no say, because they set up the "choices" you slavishly like a minion, subject yourself needlessly to.

(September 28, 2012 at 9:56 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(September 28, 2012 at 9:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: Once the Israelites realized that Molech, Baal and the other gods they were following could not get them out of the mess they made for themselves, they would have to turn and face the one true God and His punishment that was to come.

It doesn't say that in these two verses.

It says that God used child sacrifice to horrify and defile the Israelites. It's very specific about the fact that the sacrificing of the children is what was specifically suppose to make the Israelites fear and honor God. If God was just letting them sacrifice to other gods, then that makes no sense with God's stated purpose in mind.

What I stated deals expressly with those verses, the mess I mentioned above, well that would be the child sacrifices they made and their knowledge that God did not give them that command, they would remember God and be horrified at what they had done.

(September 27, 2012 at 8:08 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(September 23, 2012 at 11:22 pm)Drich Wrote: I didn't look, because I know the only thing close to human sacerfice is what went down between isac and Aberham

Really

I have not seen a response to this link, so it would seem that we either swallowed our pride or ignored the truth.

I could say something like "how christian of them", but I am in PC mode. I will leave that for Min. hock:

(September 28, 2012 at 10:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...

What I stated deals expressly with those verses, the mess I mentioned above, well that would be the child sacrifices they made and their knowledge that God did not give them that command, they would remember God and be horrified at what they had done.

That makes no sense. They would remember the god they're sacrificing to. They would be horrified by that god.

It says nothing about sacrificing to other gods anyway.

And what of the fact that it says that God "gave statutes that were not good" and then immediately following it says that Israelites sacrificed children? What statutes were they? I would think child sacrifice would be a good example of a statute that wasn't good.

(September 28, 2012 at 10:24 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(September 28, 2012 at 10:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...

What I stated deals expressly with those verses, the mess I mentioned above, well that would be the child sacrifices they made and their knowledge that God did not give them that command, they would remember God and be horrified at what they had done.

That makes no sense. They would remember the god they're sacrificing to. They would be horrified by that god.

It says nothing about sacrificing to other gods anyway.

And what of the fact that it says that God "gave statutes that were not good" and then immediately following it says that Israelites sacrificed children? What statutes were they? I would think child sacrifice would be a good example of a statute that wasn't good.

The scriptures that the Christians here have put forward shows the link between those verses, you know it, you just choose to ignore it, you do not have the guts to admit you're wrong, now that's what Min would call blasphemy, a fellow atheist admitting he was bested by Christians.

(September 28, 2012 at 10:33 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(September 28, 2012 at 10:24 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: That makes no sense. They would remember the god they're sacrificing to. They would be horrified by that god.

It says nothing about sacrificing to other gods anyway.

And what of the fact that it says that God "gave statutes that were not good" and then immediately following it says that Israelites sacrificed children? What statutes were they? I would think child sacrifice would be a good example of a statute that wasn't good.

The scriptures that the Christians here have put forward shows the link between those verses, you know it, you just choose to ignore it, you do not have the guts to admit you're wrong, now that's what Min would call blasphemy, a fellow atheist admitting he was bested by Christians.

So you're not going to deal with my arguments? You're just going spew more fallacious ad hominem attacks?

You do this seemingly every time you lose a debate. You might as well just end the debate with "Screw you guys, I'm going home!"

(September 28, 2012 at 10:38 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: You do this seemingly every time you lose a debate. You might as well just end the debate with "Screw you guys, I'm going home!"

Welcome to my world. The Brothers Christard never finish anything with me. They just disappear when I destroy their pathetic arguments.

(September 28, 2012 at 10:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: What consent or say(according to this special pleeding you claim is reality) did you have in setting up this game?

If we are identifying logical fallacies then also please note the fact the you are begging the question here.

That said my observation is well grounded in human nature and our instinct to survive no matter what we have to endure or what feelings we have to hide. Survival is paramount to any personal philosphy the majority of us may have.

Quote:If you had no say in this set up, then you are a pawn, toy, lab rat, or property.

I? or we?

Quote:The point is that you fell for a super hero. And once you buy any claim that those above you, be your parents, law inforcement, politicians, celebreties, or god claims, are above you, you are no longer autonomous and can have no say, because they set up the "choices" you slavishly like a minion, subject yourself needlessly to.

So?
I kinda dig the slavish minion thing. I have been well rewarded for knowing and accepting my 'place.'

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(September 28, 2012 at 10:14 pm)IATIA Wrote:

(September 27, 2012 at 8:08 pm)IATIA Wrote: Really

I have not seen a response to this link, so it would seem that we either swallowed our pride or ignored the truth.

I could say something like "how christian of them", but I am in PC mode. I will leave that for Min. hock:

seriously? i have already addressed this very point. Go back and reread what has already be explained 1/2 dozen times. Just because I ignored you specifically does not mean I have not already addressed 'your' or what you believe to be your arguement. (Someone has already beaten you to the punch and he has been beaten back.) So what else is there for me to do here?

(September 29, 2012 at 12:13 am)Drich Wrote: ...
I kinda dig the slavish minion thing. I have been well rewarded for knowing and accepting my 'place.'

I'm now picturing Jesus in bdsm gear whipping you.

I tried find an image of such a thing but Rule_34 apparently didn't apply.

Quote: kinda dig the slavish minion thing. I have been well rewarded for knowing and accepting my 'place.'

Well then go move to North Korea, they cant question their authority either. I am sure Kim Jong Un treats his close circle of insiders quite well, but the average joe and any dissentors get treated like crap. So you like being a brown nosing ass kisser? So you wouldn't mind being a maid in Kim Jong Un's palace because he doesn't beat his maids?

Here is the reality you don't want to face. There is no god to reward or punish you. You simply like the idea of having a magical super hero.