(September 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm)Faith No More Wrote: How come god doesn't help you with spelling, then?

So that you know that where my ablities end, and His begin.

So it appears that God has no abilities at all then.

(September 30, 2012 at 10:43 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(September 30, 2012 at 1:12 pm)Drich Wrote: Good thing we have a God willing to help us prepair ourselves for what we can not comperhend, huh?

Your douche-nozzle of a god has never lifted a fucking finger to help anyone.

The one thing your god has proven is that he has always loved himself far greater than he will ever love you.
Your phoney-bologna god isn't going to help you prepare for jack shit, and as for comprehension, well, that boat sailed for you a long long time ago.

I absolutly love it when you guys default to personal attacks! Why? Because i know we are at an end of what you can legitmatly/topically argue

Everytime we come here I know if you could come up with something better you would, but as it is what you are trying to do is discredit the content of the message by attacking the intellegence and creditablity of the messenger. All of this inorder to justify your desire to maintain your position without actually having been able to properly defend it.

That said i will say again I am not here to brow beat any of you. If you have nothing else to say then simply stop responding. God has given this life to you so you can make a choice as to where you want to spend eternity. Who am I to say you have made the wrong choice? Unless challenged i will not go down that road, so there is no need to justify to me or each other why you have made your choice. (even if it is based on a bad arguement.) Not everyone wants to be with God. God is ok with that, you need to be as well.

What Cinjin wrote wasn't a personal attack unless you happen to be God.

(September 30, 2012 at 11:18 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What Cinjin wrote wasn't a personal attack unless you happen to be God.

oh, then sorry cinjin.

Pro tip: read posts before replying to them.

(September 30, 2012 at 11:14 pm)Drich Wrote: God has given this life to you so you can make a choice as to where you want to spend eternity.

Umm, what life has your god given?? Certainly not his own. His sons life perhaps?
I see no life given. How does an immortal being who gets to come back from the grave at any time and float into paradise give his life???
Only a mortal can make a true sacrifice of his life. Not some wine making, water walking, dead raising, temporarily earth bound deity.

Quote:Who am I to say you have made the wrong choice?

o please, you and GC have made it VERY clear that we've made the wrong choice.

Quote:Not everyone wants to be with God. God is ok with that, you need to be as well.

See, you make patronizing remarks like that and then wonder why we make the remarks we do. If your god is so fucking "ok" with us not wanting to be with him, than why is he casting us all into a place he made for making that choice. You just refuse to see the complete lack of logic in your rationalizing of your god. Which brings me to the question, WHY would you want to "be with god."

What's so special about your god that makes you want to spend any time with him whatsoever. He DOES NOT LOVE you Drich, he has always loved only himself, and has proven it ever since he was invented.

(October 1, 2012 at 12:20 am)Cinjin Wrote: Umm, what life has your god given?? Certainly not his own. His sons life perhaps?

God has given you a life. This life He has given you was purposed for you to make a choice about where you wish to spend eternity.

Quote:I see no life given. How does an immortal being who gets to come back from the grave at any time and float into paradise give his life???
Only a mortal can make a true sacrifice of his life. Not some wine making, water walking, dead raising, temporarily earth bound deity.

We do not completely understand what Christ has given up in order for His sacerfice to have been sufficeint for all man kind.

Quote:o please, you and GC have made it VERY clear that we've made the wrong choice.

And everyone here has informed me of what they think of my choice. The difference being I do not badger belittle and mock your choice.

Quote:See, you make patronizing remarks like that and then wonder why we make the remarks we do.

You are reading too much into what was written. I was trying to communicate that if you choose to seperate yourself from God He will allow you to do so. You do not have to villify God or 'break up' with Him. If you want to go then just go. or rather simply do not return home.

Quote: If your god is so fucking "ok" with us not wanting to be with him, than why is he casting us all into a place he made for making that choice.

I think you have it backwards. Hell is the absents of Creation. All that God created is what you have turned your back on. God didn't 'create' Hell. Hell is the Darkness in which Creation was call out from. It is the oppsite of Creation and the furthest one can get from God.

Quote:You just refuse to see the complete lack of logic in your rationalizing of your god. Which brings me to the question, WHY would you want to "be with god."

I love God because He first loved me!

Quote:What's so special about your god that makes you want to spend any time with him whatsoever. He DOES NOT LOVE you Drich, he has always loved only himself, and has proven it ever since he was invented.

That statement is going to be pretty hard to prove to me especially in leu of all that He has done for me.

God Loves us and if we let Him will love us boundlessly. If you refuse His love, then know the love He has for you will end at the offer of redemption He has presented to you.

(October 1, 2012 at 9:17 am)Drich Wrote: God has given you a life. This life He has given you was purposed for you to make a choice about where you wish to spend eternity.

Err...no. Do you know how reproduction works? Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that we create two artificial life forms, let them reproduce for millenia and then come to them and tell them that we've given them all life and therefore own them. Ethical?



Or...(I didn't make this)



Fair enough...I think. I wouldn't know for sure, :new here: (about a week and a half)



But we have never been with god in the first place. We can't leave if he doesn't show up first.



And you can claim this on what grounds? You seem pretty certain that we know nothing of god as a species. I've been told that god made hell for satan. How do we know who is right, when both claims are mere speculation?



That explains it. He didn't love me first.



What has he done for you? I doubt anything. Your confirmation bias made you think it was god, but I'm sure anything you claim god gave you could have happened without him.

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(September 23, 2012 at 10:53 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: (8:18 pm. PST) edit: This is not about the story of the sacrifice of Isaac!

You almost never hear this but God in the OT actually explicitly commanded child sacrifice and then later changed his mind.

The command from God for child sacrifice. Exodus 22:29-30,

Quote:29 "You shall not delay to offer from the fulness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. "The first-born of your sons you shall give to me. 30 You shall do likewise with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its dam; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.

God later changed his mind. Ezekiel 20:25-26

Quote:25 Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; 26 and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

I remember reading these passages in an Old Testament class back in Bible College. I was perplexed, then horrified as an 18yr old kid thinking that I could not believe in a never-changing, consistent god. As a PK (preacher's kid) growing up in the Christian faith, I was very aware of what it says in the Book of Malachi 3:6: "I am the Lord, and I do not change".

The Professor was a bit liberal with Biblical interpretation and agreed, god did change. So what does this really say about the Good Book? There's really no other way to interpret this. The Bible contradicts itself - over and over again. And I find it so amazing that highly intelligent people give these contradictions a pass, all in the name of "God's Mysterious Ways".