(October 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Either way your eyes delude you. You can read the facts all day but you still don't know what happened, you can watch videos all day from different angles and still get bs from it. In the long run, neither matters only the death of innocent people.

Translation: It doesn't matter the facts, only that I can claim no one can prove anything.

(October 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I don't agree with everything that was in the list it was just interesting because some of it is pretty legit critical thinking. I have the feeling you attribute every single item in the list to me which is not true and im not even inclined to believe anything anyone here says about the towers unless they are a metal worker, demolitions expert or had inside knowledge of the event which I seriously doubt and would not believe.

"Inside knowledge"?

Experts, but only experts that you specify?

Lunatic.

So it's not a reasonable request to only accept input from people with a professional knowledge on the subject? That history book in high school you read, that was all bullshit.. and I'm the lunatic?

Tell me why should I believe any of you, what did you major in your studies? Does anyone here even have a great deal of knowledge in physics? Because at least that would be something

I only said nobody really knows the facts.

The history book you read in high school was bullshit? Meh, maybe there are shitty publishers where you're at?

(October 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The history book you read in high school was bullshit? Meh, maybe there are shitty publishers where you're at?

I use to love history, I would take my book home read through it all the time, I also had a keen interest in civics and sociology, yeah I've only done high school until now because I'm enrolling in college and I will continue with my interest. I went to Mc.Clintock high school, Marcos De Niza High, Tempe High, Desert Mountain, Desert Sands. I moved around allot, so yeah I think you are wrong.

Does America breed conspiracy theorists and believers in test tubes? It'd have to be a large lab, because they have a hell of a lot of them.

Wrong about what, I don't understand? If your history books were chock full o bullshit then you had shitty history books right...and publishers are the ones who distribute the damned things....

I mean, what specifically was bullshit in the textbooks?

Quote:So it's not a reasonable request to only accept input from people with a professional knowledge on the subject?

When actual demolition engineers explain why the buildings were not brought down by a controlled demolition the conspiracy nuts insist that the government has "gotten to them."

This shit is perpetrated by a bunch of authors who are in it to sell books. They have no evidence of their own. What they offer is an argument from personal incredulity ( "I don't see how it could have happened therefore x") and nothing else. They merely sit back and claim that all explanations presented are "flawed."

When in comes to Europe and far eastern countries, well besides Russia nothing. But when it come's to American history it's surprisingly biased against those who weren't Nordic, I won't go as far as saying they weren't american's (Were they?). But it's history from only Nordic perspective's with Nordic beliefs and entirely hog washed to make people believe they were completely right and justified in all actions taken. Now I'm not trying to judge people of lighter color's, I'm simply saying that small amount of history was not all of American history and that's the minor taint that make's me say allot of it is bs.

I never saw the russians as evil, or dangerous although capable of being, I saw them as a people struggling to keep pace with a superior military power. And because of that we demonized them, forgeting how their civilians fought the german's Block by Block, Street by Street, House by House, Room by Room, tooth and nail but its barely even acklowledged. They have a bad leader, but they were strong independant people.

See...the textbooks I had the trudge through in highschool, and specifically the history books, weren't in the business of justifying any actions. I never got that "Nordic Club" feel and I'm from a pretty racist place amigo.

(October 2, 2012 at 4:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: See...the textbooks I had the trudge through in highschool, and specifically the history books weren't in the business of justifying any actions.

Well the books I recieved in my high schools implemented chiristian values, but everyone knows Arizona is one of the most corrupt states in the u.s.

Lot's of god stuff...

They hardly touch on how the spanish came, conquered, raped, enslaved and lived rich live's off the backs of their bastard children. 90% of the wealth in mexico is in 10% of the population, 95% of mexico's white population owns 90% of all land and businesses. That was the intentional effect.

It's just those little things that bother me.