(October 11, 2012 at 7:29 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

catfish Wrote:That's not my job, it's yours...

It's our job to provide evidence for god? If you won't/can't then it's case closed. (Unless you know someone who can)

If you insist on quoting me, at least be intelectually honest about it, mmmkay?

Darkstar Wrote:

(October 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm)catfish Wrote:

(October 11, 2012 at 2:34 am)Rhythm Wrote: Produce the "legitimate word". While you're at it, produce anything beyond the text.

That's not my job, it's yours...

It's our job to provide evidence for god? If you won't/can't then it's case closed. (Unless you know someone who can)

catfish Wrote:If you insist on quoting me, at least be intelectually honest about it, mmmkay?

Allow me to better define what I said. You say that the bible is infalliable, yet you don't know what it means (apparently). You also won't/can't show any evidence for god's existence outside of the bible. Why is it our job to find evidence for god outside the bible, and why is it our job to find the "legitimate word"? The bible has been warped so much that there really isn't a definitive version...but it's still perfect...somehow...

(October 11, 2012 at 9:21 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

Darkstar Wrote:It's our job to provide evidence for god? If you won't/can't then it's case closed. (Unless you know someone who can)

catfish Wrote:If you insist on quoting me, at least be intelectually honest about it, mmmkay?

Allow me to better define what I said. You say that the bible is infalliable, yet you don't know what it means (apparently). You also won't/can't show any evidence for god's existence outside of the bible. Why is it our job to find evidence for god outside the bible, and why is it our job to find the "legitimate word"? The bible has been warped so much that there really isn't a definitive version...but it's still perfect...somehow...

Oh really? Where did I ever say the Bible is infallible? Perhaps you should re-read what I have written...

(October 11, 2012 at 10:04 pm)catfish Wrote: Oh really? Where did I ever say the Bible is infallible? Perhaps you should re-read what I have written...

Perhaps you didn't, I assumed you did because most theists hold that postition, but evidently I was mistaken. How then, might I ask, would one distinguish between the true word of god corrupted by man, and a completely fabricated text?

(September 13, 2012 at 11:31 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(September 13, 2012 at 3:42 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Because, if the idea is control, gullibility among the masses is to be promoted as a virtue, as long as that gullibility does not extend to any opposing system of belief or non-belief.

The above bold is by me, what control, by whom and for what purpose. This control stuff comes up all the time, I think it's time someone explained what is meant by it, or if you all are just repeating something you've heard. I've been a part of the Church for a long time and I do not know of any control going on.

"The church"

It isn't about the church. It is your willful ignorance that you self inflict that allows you to be controled by a fantastic and quite STUPID idea that is centered around a character who IS an absolute power.

No one is arguing that you have a gun to your head. It is your unwillingness to understand your own flawed use of logic that leads you to the same delusions that lead people to falsely believe the sun was a god.

WILLFUL IGNORANCE is what is controling you. Once someone sells you the meme of a fictional utopia and you want to believe it so badly enough, you will. THAT is what you are under the control of, YOUR OWN CREDULITY.

Most of the atheists here, including me, believed as fervently as you claim to now. WE were victims of our own flawed use of logic. Any human who claims an invisible being is merely a victim of wanting a super hero badly enough. It is the falure to understand that our logic and perseptions are notoriously flawed.

This is not a "church" mistake, it is a human mistake in all of evolution. Social norms and traditions do not constitute reality other than people like doing those things. "Personal experiances" any clinical psychologist worth their weight can tell you are notoriously flawed.

God/s deity/ super natural belief IN ALL OF HUMAN EVOLUTION are a result of flawed logic and human immagination and missinterpretation of perception.

This isn't about you or one religion. We can spend forever ripping apart your god, but as fun as that is ALL GOD CLAIMS are the same in that they ammount to NOTHING BUT WISHFUL THINKING because humans prefere what feels good rather than what they can test and verify.

You were part of the church. SO WHAT. Billions of people go to Mosques and believe in Allah as fervently as you do in your claim. Many Muslims know more about the Koran than you do, so go join up right now.

(October 11, 2012 at 10:19 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Perhaps you didn't, I assumed you did because most theists hold that postition, but evidently I was mistaken. How then, might I ask, would one distinguish between the true word of god corrupted by man, and a completely fabricated text?

To start with, admit the possibility of a god...

(October 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm)catfish Wrote:

(October 11, 2012 at 10:19 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Perhaps you didn't, I assumed you did because most theists hold that postition, but evidently I was mistaken. How then, might I ask, would one distinguish between the true word of god corrupted by man, and a completely fabricated text?

To start with, admit the possibility of a god...

...and then note terrible scientific errors that reflect the knowledge of the people of the time and not that of an all-knowing god, and come to the most reasonable conclusion. (There are other reasons, but let's face it; the earth isn't flat)

(October 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm)catfish Wrote: To start with, admit the possibility of a god...

I'll go you one better. I concede the utter impossibility of ever finally ruling out anything at all if it is impossible to perceive it. Therefore, everything is god damned possible alright. Thor, unicorns, fairies at the bottom of the garden, vampires and yes, even the god of the bible. I stand open to the possibility. Now, can you produce one?

(October 11, 2012 at 11:52 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(October 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm)catfish Wrote: To start with, admit the possibility of a god...

...and then note terrible scientific errors that reflect the knowledge of the people of the time and not that of an all-knowing god, and come to the most reasonable conclusion. (There are other reasons, but let's face it; the earth isn't flat)

Do you really think the Bible said the Earth was flat???

Which scientific "errors" are you talking about? Nothing supports the Earth? The water cycles? The ocean currents? the fact that everything is made from things unseen? Maybe you think that washing with water is incorrect?

(October 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm)catfish Wrote: Which scientific "errors" are you talking about? Nothing supports the Earth? The water cycles? The ocean currents? the fact that everything is made from things unseen? Maybe you think that washing with water is incorrect?

(bolding added)
Yeah, about that:
Psalms 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.

What are these foundations?