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(October 3, 2012 at 8:04 pm)theeleven Wrote: Yet again, a faith based answer....
You may believe it's just faith, and I understand why, because Christianity in your view is to restrictive, so just faith is a way to deny the reality of God. When one truly lives for God in a relationship with Him, one will come to see that what you would call coincidence is actually reality. Coincidence is something that might happen once in awhile. When many of your so called coincidences happen, then it no longer can be a coincidence, luck runs out and reality comes to light. Experiencing God is the only way to be able to know God is real. Faith leads to reality when lived to learn truth.
I have to ask....did you even read post #43? or do you keep ignoring everything that completely invalidates your argument?
(October 3, 2012 at 8:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know absolutely that God is real and my savior, that's why a true relationship with Him over time gives me the knowledge of God. So you see I do know things you do not, why do you think I'm so persistent, it's not because I'm crazy.
You actually are crazy.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
Godschild Wrote:I did not say God protects you or any number of others, I ask for His protection, if you die in a car wreck, voila! there your proof of God will be.
Err...no. Are you praying that I will die? Even if I did, how would you know it wasn't coincidence? Ok, if you die in a car accident either: 1. God abandoned one of his most ardent supporters, or
2. There is no god.
(October 4, 2012 at 12:08 am)Godschild Wrote: You may believe it's just faith, and I understand why, because Christianity in your view is to restrictive, so just faith is a way to deny the reality of God.
You use just faith to deny the reality of no god...we can do this all day.
Godschild Wrote:When one truly lives for God in a relationship with Him, one will come to see that what you would call coincidence is as actually reality.
Fixed.
Godschild Wrote:Coincidence is something that might happen once in awhile. When many of your so called coincidences happen, then it no longer can be a coincidence, luck runs out and reality comes to light.
For those with a highly empirical bent, a coincidence is happenstance, a simultaneous collision of two events that has no special significance and obeys the laws of probability. "In reality, the most astonishingly incredible coincidence imaginable would be the complete absence of all coincidence," says John Allen Paulos, professor of mathematics at Temple University in Philadelphia, and best-selling author of Innumeracy: Mathematical Illiteracy and Its Consequences. "Believing in the significance of oddities is self-aggrandizing," he adds. "It says, 'Look how important I am.' People find it dispiriting to hear, 'It just happened, and it doesn't mean anything.'"
To the mystically inclined, however, coincidence is a synchronicity, the purposeful occurrence of two seemingly unrelated events. The argument is not likely to be resolved anytime soon. Of late, though, the phenomenon of coincidence has begun to yield new scientific insights. It turns out that we may actually be hardwired to connect anomalies in a meaningful way. Many of the remarkable feats our brains regularly perform—including our ability to learn the meaning of words or decode the unspoken laws of social decorum depend on our penchant for noticing coincidences. In fact, mathematicians, cognitive scientists and paranormal researchers are applying the tools of statistics and probability to tease out just where coincidences lie on the bell curve of everyday experience. Are they easily explained, or so improbable they must signify something?
"What are the odds of that?"
Not as small as you'd think, answer mathematicians who study the laws of probability. "In 10 years there are 5 million minutes," says Irving Jack Good, a professor in the department of statistics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute in Blacksburg. "That means each person has plenty of opportunity to have some remarkable coincidences in his life."
Improbable occurrences are to be expected, say statisticians, especially considering there are 5 billion people on the planet. "We're awash in a torrent of names, numbers, dates, addresses, acronyms, telephone calls, e-mails, calendars, birth dates," says John Paulos. "The information-rich environment of modern life itself is a source of many coincidences." Even "prophetic" dreams can be explained by probability, says Paulos. This country dreams a half billion hours each night (250 million people dreaming two hours a night). Some of those dreams are bound to coincide with real events.
Godschild Wrote:Experiencing God is the only way to be able to know God is real. Faith leads to reality when lived to learn truth.
If you believe hard enough, you can, indeed, convince yourself of anything.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
October 6, 2012 at 2:32 am (This post was last modified: October 6, 2012 at 2:54 am by JohnDG.)
(September 19, 2012 at 1:30 am)catfish Wrote:
(September 14, 2012 at 3:44 am)JohnDG Wrote: So you are saying we are wrong for believing Jesus is a myth as well as believing all other god's or religions are mythical or made up in nature? If we rejected the christian bible as truth even though it is the only literal text of god wouldn't that imply that the other religions and gods are wrong also? Or are you saying that we can dismiss christian religion but not others for they may be right?
See? This is why he nailed your nature before you even responded...
The Bible doesn't claim to be the "litteral text of god", now does it? I'm sure evilbible.com makes that claim though. Is that where you get your opinions from?
Nope, in fact most people hate on me because I love to use my own critical thinking instead of searching for somebody else's opinion on the internet like most here probably do.
Sorry I said literal, I meant to say it is either the word of god or not. Yes or no, there are no loopholes with me. If you try to explain how the bible isn't really the true words of god (contrary to the religion) then you yourself know the religion is a sham and its simply a book with a beautiful story.
Yes I find beauty in the bible but I don't change who I am, if I were to suddenly change my whole life and structure it around that book, I hope somebody shoot's me because that is not who I am.
Yeah I get the stories... but their stories... and not all of them are good/beautiful.
Live every day as if already dead, that way you're not disappointed when you are.
(October 6, 2012 at 2:32 am)JohnDG Wrote: Sorry I said literal, I meant to say it is either the word of god or not. Yes or no, there are no loopholes with me. If you try to explain how the bible isn't really the true words of god (contrary to the religion) then you yourself know the religion is a sham and its simply a book with a beautiful story.
Said this myself a few times. It's either the word of god or it isn't. If it is how do you know it is, because men wrote it? If it isn't, then you have no basis for your faith in god.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
(October 6, 2012 at 6:28 am)Norfolk And Chance Wrote:
(October 6, 2012 at 2:32 am)JohnDG Wrote: Sorry I said literal, I meant to say it is either the word of god or not. Yes or no, there are no loopholes with me. If you try to explain how the bible isn't really the true words of god (contrary to the religion) then you yourself know the religion is a sham and its simply a book with a beautiful story.
Said this myself a few times. It's either the word of god or it isn't. If it is how do you know it is, because men wrote it? If it isn't, then you have no basis for your faith in god.
You both leave out the possibility that it could have been the "word of god" that has been corrupted by man.???
October 10, 2012 at 10:38 pm (This post was last modified: October 10, 2012 at 10:39 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, since you're introducing the idea of corruption yourself...it's going to be difficult establishing what the "legitimate word" is from that point forward...thats ignoring that the "corruption by man" bit might be the very foundation of the claim itself...god. IOW, you aren't defending the text, you're eroding it's credibility (and that seems counterproductive, because the text is all there is to begin with).
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(October 10, 2012 at 10:35 pm)catfish Wrote: You both leave out the possibility that it could have been the "word of god" that has been corrupted by man.???
You have yet to provide one shred of evidence that your bullshit god exists. Once you do this you have the further obligation in proving the Bible is his/her special book and everything that goes with it.
October 10, 2012 at 11:21 pm (This post was last modified: October 10, 2012 at 11:29 pm by catfish.)
(October 10, 2012 at 10:46 pm)cato123 Wrote:
(October 10, 2012 at 10:35 pm)catfish Wrote: You both leave out the possibility that it could have been the "word of god" that has been corrupted by man.???
You have yet to provide one shred of evidence that your bullshit god exists. Once you do this you have the further obligation in proving the Bible is his/her special book and everything that goes with it.
Why is your god still hiding?
My "god" is hiding just as much as your answer to the cause of the big bang and life itself...
(October 10, 2012 at 10:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, since you're introducing the idea of corruption yourself...it's going to be difficult establishing what the "legitimate word" is from that point forward...thats ignoring that the "corruption by man" bit might be the very foundation of the claim itself...god. IOW, you aren't defending the text, you're eroding it's credibility (and that seems counterproductive, because the text is all there is to begin with).
It's easy to establish the "legitimate word" if you have the tools to do so. Read the Bible, it even tells you what those "tools" are...
The text is not all there is... Maybe in your opinion that's all there is.
October 11, 2012 at 12:16 am (This post was last modified: October 11, 2012 at 12:16 am by Darkstar.)
(October 10, 2012 at 11:21 pm)catfish Wrote: My "god" is hiding just as much as your answer to the cause of the big bang and life itself...
So let me get this straight, because we don't yet know how the big bang was set off and haven't proven abiogenesis, you don't need to provide evidence for god and we should just take your word for it? Those theories are only missing a few pieces; yours doesn't even have a few pieces.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
